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If only every car manufacture was Union or non unionized, then it would be fair.
Nah man, unions close down plants. Can't wait for automation to make them a thing of the past
 

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Nah man, unions close down plants. Can't wait for automation to make them a thing of the past
right, then when they are all automated they can get hacked and be held hostage. I'm not a fan of unions but I am a fan of paying people what they deserve.
 

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right, then when they are all automated they can get hacked and be held hostage. I'm not a fan of unions but I am a fan of paying people what they deserve.
As am I, therefore I do not belive in paying people $48/hr to put 3 rivets in a doorframe, something that can be performed by a 6 axis arm with monumentally more precision and repeatability, and it won't get sick, it won't complain, and it only costs 150k.
 

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As am I, therefore I do not belive in paying people $48/hr to put 3 rivets in a doorframe, something that can be performed by a 6 axis arm with monumentally more precision and repeatability, and it won't get sick, it won't complain, and it only costs 150k.

should probably just say you don't believe in paying people
 

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should probably just say you don't believe in paying people
I do not believe in paying people ***

*** when a machine can do a better job for far less money ultimately making the product better while making it less expensive to produce, as all automation does.
 

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I do not believe in paying people ***

*** when a machine can do a better job for far less money ultimately making the product better while making it less expensive to produce, as all automation does.
could have saved yourself some time by just saying, "Yes."
 

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could have saved yourself some time by just saying, "Yes."
I mean, if you want to pay for a more expensive product that is worse, thats fine too. I like the approach that removes the human factor, as it produces more consistent results.
 

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I mean, if you want to pay for a more expensive product that is worse, thats fine too. I like the approach that removes the human factor, as it produces more consistent results.
Again, so much time and pointless conversation so easily avoided by the simple word, "Yes."
 

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Why do they get 48/hr to do that job? People who do jobs that risk their lives make less. That is what I disagree with fundamentally.

I agree that pay is proportional to the job.

Also, machines are proven to be more consistent. A human can't repeat a task with the same precision as a machine 100,000 times. In a world where we constantly strive to make things easier, or remove tedious tasks, I find it odd that this is viewed as bad.

Humanity has done this same concept since day 1.
 
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Nah man, unions close down plants. Can't wait for automation to make them a thing of the past
Except for the various Ford plants which have been unionized and have been manufacturing for literal decades without closing. Chrysler and GM too. Our own MAP has been open and unionized since 1957.
 

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Why do they get 48/hr to do that job? People who do jobs that risk their lives make less. That is what I disagree with fundamentally.

I agree that pay is proportional to the job.

Also, machines are proven to be more consistent. A human can't repeat a task with the same precision as a machine 100,000 times.
Instead of saying, "why should they be paid so much when others are paid less?" we should be asking, "why is not everyone paid more?" It's not a matter of competing interests between these two groups. If modern economics has shown us anything, there is quite literally more than enough money for both.
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