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Please let these talks go well!

The United Auto Workers (UAW) union will start contract talks with the Detroit Three automakers beginning Thursday, July 13th. The talks come as Detroit automakers, like their global counterparts, have been focused on cost reductions, to help accelerate a shift from gasoline-powered vehicles to electric vehicles (EV).
WHO IS THE UNION NEGOTIATING WITH?
The UAW is negotiating with GM, Ford and Stellantis.
Ford's annual filing showed about 57,000 of its hourly employees in the United States were represented by the UAW. The UAW has historically picked one of the Detroit Three to negotiate with first that sets the pattern on which subsequent deals are based. UAW's new president has promised things will be different this time and analysts have said the odds have risen for strikes, including simultaneous walkouts at multiple automakers.
WHAT ARE THE UNION'S DEMANDS?
The UAW is pushing automakers to eliminate the two-tier wage system under which new hires earn as much as 25% less than veterans. The union will push to restore pay improvements tied to the cost of living and retiree benefits cut during the 2008-2009 economic crisis. The UAW also wants strong salary increases citing generous executive payouts and large U.S. federal subsidies for EV sales. The UAW also is aiming to get agreements that would allow the UAW to represent hourly workers at joint-venture EV battery plants opened or planned by the Detroit Three. The union, which represents about 150,000 U.S. hourly workers at Detroit's Three, is not afraid to go on strike at any of the automakers . The UAW has been wary of the industry shift to EVs and recently called on the Biden administration to soften its proposed vehicle emission cuts that would require 67% of new vehicles to be electric by 2032. EVs require fewer parts to build and industry officials have said that will result in a need for fewer workers. The UAW has said there should be no jobs lost because of the EV shift.
WHAT DO AUTOMAKERS HAVE TO SAY?
The Detroit Three want to close the cost gap they have with foreign automakers with non-unionized U.S. factories. Ford sources estimate that their U.S. labor costs are $64 an hour, compared with an estimated $55 for foreign automakers and $45 to $50 for EV leader Tesla . The companies also want greater flexibility in how it uses its U.S. workers to increase efficiency and cut costs as the industry shifts to EVs.
Ford CEO Jim Farley said "success in this new world will require us to adapt. Some jobs will be disrupted, and some will be created." Late last month, Ford had another round of salaried-worker job cuts.
WHAT IS AT STAKE?
A potential strike could hit at a time when automakers are ramping up efforts to maximize gasoline and EV vehicle production to capitalize on demand for new vehicles. A strike would be another blow, following supply-chain disruptions that hurt production and profits during the pandemic. Fewer cars produced would hit inventories at vehicle dealers that are also trying to cash in on the demand.
WHAT DO ANALYSTS EXPECT?
"We see a strike as likely." "We expect the UAW's new leadership will want to prove itself to the rank-and-file membership by trying to squeeze everything it can from the automakers," Fitch Ratings analyst Steve Brown said."

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After reviewing this, it scares me a bit personally. This is one of the reasons the U.S. keeps losing companies staying put. They can't compete with lower labor costs elswhere.
I get it, everyone including the manufacturers wants to make more money & the employees want job security. They can’t have everything that they want though & that goes for both sides. A strike will not benefit anyone though, including the consumer, this push to electric is more political & feel good bullshit for liberals & the religion of the climate cult. We’re all in for a long wait for these vehicles in my opinion, I’m happy for the guys that got their VIN & scheduled build date yesterday but the truth is that delivery is a long way away!!
 
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I get it, everyone including the manufacturers wants to make more money & the employees want job security. They can’t have everything that they want though & that goes for both sides. A strike will not benefit anyone though, including the consumer, this push to electric is more political & feel good bullshit for liberals & the religion of the climate cult. We’re all in for a long wait for these vehicles in my opinion, I’m happy for the guys that got their VIN & scheduled build date yesterday but the truth is that delivery is a long way away!!
Good points, especially on the E.V. comments and "the feel good B.S.!" The truth is the the technology for E.V. is not developed enough for it to work, and "wishing it is" does not make it so. What worries me the most, with the problems we already have in getting vehicles built (parts/cips) in the U.S. and now this. Delivery can be a long way away if the strike begins Sept 14th at the end of the current contract.
 
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Sounds like I'll go with toyota then. The Uninvolved in Auto Work group will kill the big 3 if the big 3 doesn't kill them first.

"The union will push to restore pay improvements tied to the cost of living and retiree benefits cut during the 2008-2009 economic crisis."

Pensions should be done away with. 25 years of work then collecting 25+ years of benefits sounds extremely unmaintainable.

"The UAW also is aiming to get agreements that would allow the UAW to represent hourly workers at joint-venture EV battery plants opened or planned by the Detroit Three."

Gotta get more suckers to pay into their shit system.
 

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I hate to harp on this over and over again, but those of you taking jabs at those of us paying a 5K ADM; you were warned to think about it outside the box and not be so short-sighted about the "now".

Between this, regular annual MSRP increases, and all other unforeseen variables it was a no brainer.
 

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I hate to harp on this over and over again, but those of you taking jabs at those of us paying a 5K ADM; you were warned to think about it outside the box and not be so short-sighted about the "now".

Between this, regular annual MSRP increases, and all other unforeseen variables it was a no brainer.
I got mine at MSRP
 
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I got mine at MSRP
Wags, do you have a signed binding written agreement with them stating that and not just the Order/Build sheet? I've had that pulled on me before, that is why I ask. Almost everything I've read indicates people are in store for an ADM on the RR. I
 
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Yes I have it in writing. I was also told the Ford is planning on making more RRs and not keep them as limited as the other Raptors but time will tell on that one but I hope everyone gets one that ordered one.
 

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Yes I have it in writing. I was also told the Ford is planning on making more RRs and not keep them as limited as the other Raptors but time will tell on that one but I hope everyone gets one that ordered one.

Now ask yourself this, which would make more logical sense based on historical sales... making more Rangor Raptors, or making more Bronco Raptors?

Yea...
 

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Now ask yourself this, which would make more logical sense based on historical sales... making more Rangor Raptors, or making more Bronco Raptors?

Yea...
Just what I was told. Time will tell I guess.
 

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Does anyone have any insight on this. It never seems to fail something new comes up to make it a problem to get a new vehicle I (we) want. Maybe I worry too much, but it seems like it is or most likely going to become a big problem.
Pretty much the Pandemic was worse in more ways than one. It pretty much showed that all you need to do is cause a major disruption and you'll get what you want.
 

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Pretty much the Pandemic was worse in more ways than one. It pretty much showed that all you need to do is cause a major disruption and you'll get what you want.
Not to swerve into tin foil hat conspiracy crap but it's hard not to think of the whole covid pandemic is what we refer to in fabrication land as "proof of concept".

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Not to swerve into tin foil hat conspiracy crap but it's hard not to think of the whole covid pandemic is what we refer to in fabrication land as "proof of concept".

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Just a few short years ago, let me pick an "arbitrary time frame" Let's use your's...the covid pandemic. I, like most, would be rolling our eyes at the thought of such a concept as a "pilot project" to see if such a plan (on such a large scale) was feasible to control the masses. Now, as crazy as it used to sound, purchasing stock in tinfoil is not a bad idea!

But, from a purely scientific perspective, I also believe "lab leaks" are entirely possible, does that make me "batty" I can't be the one to judge myself! :bow:
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