Auto start/stop removal

[RapVillin]

Anyone know why the auto start/stop has been removed from all ranger builds?

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[goalieThreeOne]

To be honest, I’m not asking questions just in case they decide to change their minds.

 

[jdlapointe]

The government mandates Auto Start/Stop, and it needs to default to ON for new vehicles to be legally sold. That is why they removed that option.

Thankfully there are usually aftermarket buttons or switches which reverse the polarity, so it defaults to off. This is technically illegal like removing the catalytic converter.

 

[RapVillin]

So when i take delivery it's an easy add on?
Or is it already there by law is what you are saying?

 

[Wags]

So does the Raptor have it or not. I personally hate that feature, I want my truck to always run.

 

[BigDamnHeroes]

Historically it's been due to chip shortage (or, at least, that's the reason given when they did it on other vehicles.

Are you in the US? I just ran through the B&P on a couple different Ranger trims, and never saw that..

 

[RapVillin]

In the US. It was on my order confirmation for build date after I got my vin

 

[goalieThreeOne]

The government mandates Auto Start/Stop, and it needs to default to ON for new vehicles to be legally sold. That is why they removed that option.

Thankfully there are usually aftermarket buttons or switches which reverse the polarity, so it defaults to off. This is technically illegal like removing the catalytic converter.

This isn’t true. The government doesn’t mandate Auto Start-Stop at all. If that were true, then all the Fords sold in the last three years that have had the option removed would be sold illegally.

Auto S/S is included for two reasons:

1. It boosts fuel economy numbers. If Auto S/S nets you an extra 1 MPG on the EPA estimate on the sticker, that may put you ahead of your competition and lead customers some to pick your car over the competition. Simply put, it can sell more cars.

2. In addition to that, it’s an easy way to help increase fuel economy numbers across the line to meet some government standards on manufacture overall fuel economy. If anything, you WANT Auto S/S as a feature because if they can save fuel on idling they can use it on higher output engines. If we didn’t have that, say goodbye to 400HP trucks.

It’s not a conspiracy or government tyranny. It’s drive by consumer demand. Never forget the 80’s with 250 HP V-8’s that get 12MPG. No one wants a return to those days.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

So when i take delivery it's an easy add on?
Or is it already there by law is what you are saying?

So does the Raptor have it or not. I personally hate that feature, I want my truck to always run.

Auto Start/Stop has been removed from every Raptor. It does not come with it. There is no rule that says a car has to have it either.

There is likely no way to add it back in. It’s likely removed due to a parts shortage. That’s means the parts won’t be there to enable it. You’d have to find the parts and install them yourself. And since no Raptors have those parts, they probably aren’t even anything you can order. It would likely require reprogramming which someone would have to figure out. That’s not likely, so just know you won’t have Auto Start Stop, and assume you won’t be able to add it in the future.

 

[Wags]

Auto Start/Stop has been removed from every Raptor. It does not come with it. There is no rule that says a car has to have it either.

There is likely no way to add it back in. It’s likely removed due to a parts shortage. That’s means the parts won’t be there to enable it. You’d have to find the parts and install them yourself. And since no Raptors have those parts, they probably aren’t even anything you can order. It would likely require reprogramming which someone would have to figure out. That’s not likely, so just know you won’t have Auto Start Stop, and assume you won’t be able to add it in the future.

thank you, I'm happy it doesn't have it

 

[jdlapointe]

If you go to the 2024 builder, auto start stop is listed. They removed the auto start stop eliminator option, which was put in place due to the chip shortage. Now that it is no longer a thing, it is back to being non removable.

The tech gives ford a credit on the MPG rating, which is the government "Mandate" that I was talking about. They need a minimum MPG rating across all non heavy duty vehicle offerings. Thus requiring technologies like auto stop/start.

I was wrong about the aftermarket buttons defaulting to off being illegal (for now) as the button is not directly related to an emissions system.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

I stand corrected. When the B&P went up, the “Auto Start Stop Removal” option was a mandatory checkbox. If you go in there now, it is now no longer an option. So something has changed. I don’t know what that means at this point. Maybe some will have it, and some won’t.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

If you go to the 2024 builder, auto start stop is listed. They removed the auto start stop eliminator option, which was put in place due to the chip shortage. Now that it is no longer a thing, it is back to being non removable.

The tech gives ford a credit on the MPG rating, which is the government "Mandate" that I was talking about. They need a minimum MPG rating across all non heavy duty vehicle offerings. Thus requiring technologies like auto stop/start.

I was wrong about the aftermarket buttons defaulting to off being illegal (for now) as the button is not directly related to an emissions system.

I think you got it mixed up. The Auto Start Stop removal option did not add an eliminator, rather it removed the parts and circuit that enables Auto S/S to begin with.

It’s still not mandatory in any sense whatsoever. It is simply one of the many options that Ford may choose to use to help MPG rating. Ford has chosen to use this, but can choose not to if they want.

Also the engine option always showed Auto Start Stop. But when the B&P went up there was an option lower down that removed it. It does not appear to be there anymore.

 

[jdlapointe]

They are adding a 50 dollar credit on the 2023 F150's that selected it as an option, so I assume they would do the same here.

I used the word eliminator, when I should have used elimination. Either way it doesn't matter, as the end result is the same. No auto start/stop.

With how strict the new MPG/emissions requirements are, automakers have to do everything they can to increase MPG, and reduce emissions.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like auto start stop either, but if the requirements (mandates) weren't so strict you would 100% not be seeing things like this feature.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

They are adding a 50 dollar credit on the 2023 F150's that selected it as an option, so I assume they would do the same here.

I used the word eliminator, when I should have used elimination. Either way it doesn't matter, as the end result is the same. No auto start/stop.

With how strict the new MPG/emissions requirements are, automakers have to do everything they can to increase MPG, and reduce emissions.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like auto start stop either, but if the requirements (mandates) weren't so strict you would 100% not be seeing things like this feature.

Given how easy it is to disable it, I’m completely okay. We have less pollution, spend less on gas, and get 400HP mid size trucks. Seems like a win all around. Buying and installing a $40 module or changing a setting in Forscan is not a huge hassle.

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