Seeking advice on cam phaser issue

[duduwenger]

So, it seems like my Ranger Raptor has/is starting to get the cam phaser rattle issue on cold start.

The technical service bulletin documents a fix for the issue, but it does involve some taking apart of the car, which may or may not affect the car in other ways. On the other hand, if I do not do the procedure, I’m not sure what the effects of running the car with the issue are.

(Apologies for the blurry image, it’s the best copy I can find so far.)

Considering the pros and cons, what do you advise I do?

funnily enough, i tried two brand new vehicles at the dealer, which also sounded like they had the issue on cold start. I do have the hood up when listening, so there’s that. It isn’t that noticeable, if at all noticeable (usually), in the car with the hood down.

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[Deleted member 6814]

My first RR had the cam phaser issue at 1200 miles. I blame my dealership for the buyback more than Ford. Despite it being Fords design problem. My dealership escalated the cam phaser issue to Ford to replace the entire engine. To make a long story short, The dealership told me to drop off the truck because the new engine was there and ready, but it wasnt because the dealership didn’t have all the parts. So instead of continuing to drive it until all the parts were ready, it sat at the dealership for 58 days before the new engine was installed. So I started the buyback process at 35 days and it actually went very smooth. at day 63 they told me it was ready to pick up and at that time I had already bought another RR

. Also, if the noise stops after 30 seconds or if it doesn’t do it when the vehicle is warmed up and you restart, it is definitely a cam phaser issue. It’s not always a loud clatter.

 

[duduwenger]

Also, if the noise stops after 30 seconds or if it doesn’t do it when the vehicle is warmed up and you restart, it is definitely a cam phaser issue. It’s not always a loud clatter.

wow, so did you always want to have 2, or did you accidentally end up with 2 RRs? honestly, my problem now is i can’t exactly tell if it’s an issue or if it’s a big enough issue, to the point i want to send the car in and potentially contract other issues from the repair process. I can barely, if even, hear the sound if i didnt have the hood open, which is contrary to others who can hear it with the hood down and in the car even.

I also tried 2 brand new cars off the lot, with the hood open, which seemed to have the same characteristics, so i feel like i may be misdiagnosing the thing, dealership also didnt rush to diagnose it as an issue. could it be that the cam phaser rattle is always there, only until it reaches a certain magnitude that it is an issue?

 

[nikhsub1]

Not sure what your question is but if you let the phaser issue go on long term (like I did in my Gen 2 raptor) it will just get worse. Mine rattled on every start, even warm starts. By the time I brought it in even at idle the motor sounded awful. Mind you I dove the truck 30k miles once I heard the bad phasers - I was not keen on having it done at the time in 2020 when this issue first came about. I wanted the procedure to become common, which it did. Anyway, once I had them done the truck purrs like a kitten.

Sucks that this is STILL happening though. They rectified it in the Gen 3 raptor but I guess used the same prone to fail phasers in the 3.0?

 

[duduwenger]

Not sure what your question is but if you let the phaser issue go on long term (like I did in my Gen 2 raptor) it will just get worse. Mine rattled on every start, even warm starts. By the time I brought it in even at idle the motor sounded awful. Mind you I dove the truck 30k miles once I heard the bad phasers - I was not keen on having it done at the time in 2020 when this issue first came about. I wanted the procedure to become common, which it did. Anyway, once I had them done the truck purrs like a kitten.

Sucks that this is STILL happening though. They rectified it in the Gen 3 raptor but I guess used the same prone to fail phasers in the 3.0?

i’m wondering whether i should go through with the replacement or hold off and just use the vehicle till it gets worse. reason being, the replacement process will involve taking apart quite a lot of parts, which may or may not cause other issues.

anyway, im still not sure if my issue is a cam phaser rattle, or if it is serious enough to warrant a replacement yet. the dealer seems to think not.

what was it like when you first noticed the rattle? is it very noticeable even from inside the car? mine isnt that noticeable if you’re inside the car, unless you specifically listen for it

 

[nikhsub1]

i’m wondering whether i should go through with the replacement or hold off and just use the vehicle till it gets worse. reason being, the replacement process will involve taking apart quite a lot of parts, which may or may not cause other issues.

anyway, im still not sure if my issue is a cam phaser rattle, or if it is serious enough to warrant a replacement yet. the dealer seems to think not.

what was it like when you first noticed the rattle? is it very noticeable even from inside the car? mine isnt that noticeable if you’re inside the car, unless you specifically listen for it

You 100% have bad phasers. The video you posted proves that. I was worried about the replacement too but ford has done so many of these now it’s just a common procedure at this point.

 

[duduwenger]

You 100% have bad phasers. The video you posted proves that. I was worried about the replacement too but ford has done so many of these now it’s just a common procedure at this point.

oh man, that sucks. welp, at least it's something that has a known fix. i tried two brand new ranger raptors at the dealer that had the same sound (with the hood up), so that really threw me off, thinking it may be just how it is.

 

[nikhsub1]

oh man, that sucks. welp, at least it's something that has a known fix. i tried two brand new ranger raptors at the dealer that had the same sound (with the hood up), so that really threw me off, thinking it may be just how it is.

That’s how it is when you have bad phasers.

 

[chasvs]

So, it seems like my Ranger Raptor has/is starting to get the cam phaser rattle issue on cold start.

The technical service bulletin documents a fix for the issue, but it does involve some taking apart of the car, which may or may not affect the car in other ways. On the other hand, if I do not do the procedure, I’m not sure what the effects of running the car with the issue are.

(Apologies for the blurry image, it’s the best copy I can find so far.)

Considering the pros and cons, what do you advise I do?

funnily enough, i tried two brand new vehicles at the dealer, which also sounded like they had the issue on cold start. I do have the hood up when listening, so there’s that. It isn’t that noticeable, if at all noticeable (usually), in the car with the hood down.

What's the likelihood that the two new vehicles at the dealer had this issue??? Might want to reevaluate yourself and what you think you're hearing....

 

[duduwenger]

What's the likelihood that the two new vehicles at the dealer had this issue??? Might want to reevaluate yourself and what you think you're hearing....

that's what i mean man, have a listen to this, this is from the new vehicle. I'd love to know what others think. I meant to include it in my original post but it didn't upload successfully.

To me, it sounds like there's a similar note in the new vehicle, though it is a bit softer and smoother than in mine.

 

[Deleted member 6814]

wow, so did you always want to have 2, or did you accidentally end up with 2 RRs? honestly, my problem now is i can’t exactly tell if it’s an issue or if it’s a big enough issue, to the point i want to send the car in and potentially contract other issues from the repair process. I can barely, if even, hear the sound if i didnt have the hood open, which is contrary to others who can hear it with the hood down and in the car even.

I also tried 2 brand new cars off the lot, with the hood open, which seemed to have the same characteristics, so i feel like i may be misdiagnosing the thing, dealership also didnt rush to diagnose it as an issue. could it be that the cam phaser rattle is always there, only until it reaches a certain magnitude that it is an issue?

I only had the original one for about a week until they finished the buyback procedure. I had them buy it back because my dealership dropped the ball. If yours has bad cam phasers and if you have a good dealership, I wouldn’t really worry too much about getting it fixed if they can do it in a timely manner. ( its about a 3-5 day fix) . As others have said most Ford dealers have done this many times. I wasn’t too concerned about it happening again with a different vehicle. That’s why I bought another one.

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

This is a cam phaser issue; post #1. https://www.ranger6g.com/forum/threads/horrible-noise-on-cold-start-up-of-ranger-raptor.8750/

Your’s is not similar to it.

 

[duduwenger]

This is a cam phaser issue; post #1. https://www.ranger6g.com/forum/threads/horrible-noise-on-cold-start-up-of-ranger-raptor.8750/

Your’s is not similar to it.

that’s somewhat good news. I think there are similar characteristics, which is what worries me, although mine is not very clearly audible with the hood down, unlike the post you linked.

 

[nikhsub1]

every video posted thus far sounds like bad phasers to me. I should know, I listened to this noise for 5 years... Here is mine after about 5 years of rattling.

 

[duduwenger]

every video posted thus far sounds like bad phasers to me. I should know, I listened to this noise for 5 years... Here is mine after about 5 years of rattling.

still, the way that even the new cars have it, i might have to wait until it gets a little louder. even the dealer wasn't too eager to jump to book my replacement, might be hinting me to hold off if i can?

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