Lion77
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Introduction
Most people on the forum seem to gravitate towards bigger tires and lifts to tackle rougher terrain. I have zero issues with that. But big tires have a LOT of trade-offs for little gain even in specific instances, sometimes that extra 1" of clearance matters, other times it's useless (obstacle doesn't require more clearance or well over another 1" anyway).
A 35x11.5" tire only nets you 1" of actual gain in minimum running clearance of the rear axle, but costs a lot in terms of acceleration, braking and turn-in while also reducing fuel economy and increasing stress on the steering (tie rods and rack) and drive train (diffs, axles, transition shock loads). Maybe someday I'll go over to the dark side with 35x11.5's if I shift focus, but this build right now if focused in a different direction than most. Road and Rally style driving.
My Uses for 24' RR
- High speed off-road rally-style on dirt roads, gravel roads, sand dunes and farm fields, including jumping the truck!
- Moderate trails level 1-5 which are scenic and relaxing.
- Back country roads with big potholes and very uneven surfaces, but very scenic and enjoyable to tour, including Hocking Hills, OH.
- long touring trips for extended stints on the highway to out of state destinations with my wife (i.e., NASCAR at Watkins Glen, visiting family out of state, vacations, date weekends etc.)
- To work just because I like driving it, mostly back country highways / roads.
- Home Depot runs for house projects (4x8 plywood, sheet rock, 2x4's etc.).
- Periodic towing (i.e., car dolly with compact cars, utility trailers for wood and haul ATVs).
- Camping (throw it all in the truck bed!)
- Backup vehicle just in case one of my two daily drivers is in service (wife drives a CX-50, I drive a 23' Mazda 3), nice to have a 3rd vehicle just in case the service is delayed on the dailys.
- Bad weather, like deep snow. Throw it in 4A and just GO!
- Keeping my wife happy because she also likes to drive it
Goals
1. Improve upon off-road capability without reducing overall high-speed performance or significantly increasing weight (< +50 lbs net).
2. Enhance on-road and off-road handling at high speeds (i.e., turn-in, braking, stability, predictability).
3. Enhance acceleration.
4. Maintain or improve upon factory fuel economy for highway use and long trips.
5. Maintain or improve upon factory reliability / durability.
6. Improve upon factory utility (i.e., towing, payload and cargo management) without significant additional weight (< +100 lbs net).
Implemented Modifications
1. Ford Performance Pro Cal
2. Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead Grip Wheels in Titanium Grey (including spare, so 5x total)
3. Worksport AL4 tonneau cover.
4. Line-x custom lining under the rocker panels for rock chip / corrosion protection.
5. Value Guard cavity wax inside weep holes for rockers / fenders to prevent internal corrosion.
6. Value Guard VG-104 coating behind pinch welds for additional corrosion protection (live in a state that sees lots of road salt in winter).
7. Torque Detail ceramic 2yr DIY coating to prevent clear coat oxidation over time and reduce scratches / corrosion on rock chips (wax over the rock chips to seal them off, worked well on other vehicles where they never rusted). I can do this myself in a few hours, once every 2 years for $100, not bad!
8. TirboTEX DLC of entire powertrain (engine, transmission, front and rear diffs, transfer case).
Planned Modifications
1. Pirelli XTM AT 285/70R17 - comparable forward bite and durability off and on-road to KO3's, better turn-in response and more predictable brake away characteristics both on and off-road, 3lbs lighter per tire than KO3's.
2. GOAT 20 Degree Angled Rock Sliders - enhances side clearance, the biggest grip most have with a stock RR for trails. Overall, it's pretty decent other than the side steps.
3. US Cargo Control 48" black anodized L-track x 4 rails in bed, very light weight option to enhance bed versatility. Only 2.5lbs per rail! Endless cargo management configurations.
4. Ditch Lights (undecided on what brand)
5. Wagner Intercooler (after 60k powertrain warranty is expired)
Modifications / Goal Relationships - As is Now (will periodically be updated as mods are added)
Goal #1
- Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead grip Wheels: 25.2 lbs per wheel vs. 36lbs from factory bead-locks. Bead grip technology provides 95% of the low-pressure bead reliability of a true bead lock but is maintenance free, DOT legal and more reliable on road. Slight increase in track-width from higher wheel off-set lowers CG further without reducing ground clearance or significantly altering scrub radius (which affects steering kick on rough terrain). Reduces rotating mass by 43lbs, reduces total mass (includes spare tire) by 54 lbs allowing the weight to be re-allocated to more productive uses (i.e., rock sliders, cargo management).
Goal #2
Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead grip Wheels: Reduced mass improves both braking and turn-in responsiveness. Increased track width lowers effective CG.
Goal #3
- Ford Performance Pro Cal: the additional 50HP / 106 lb-ft of torque reduces 1/4-mile time by approximately 5/10ths. Refined 10R60 shift logic enables better usage of available power.
- Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead grip Wheels: Reduced mass improves acceleration by reducing parasitic losses (allows more of the rated power to be utilized at the wheels).
- TirboTEX DLC: achieving super lubricity reduces friction losses, resulting in more power to the wheels (~1-3% on new vehicles).
Goal #4
- Ford Performance Pro Cal: no change in fuel economy over stock under normal driving conditions.
- Worksport AL4 Tonneau Cover: reduces drag losses from tail gate for highway driving. I managed almost 21 MPG a few times driving 77 MPH on I-80 (no headwind, in summer heat). Before the cover, I could not manage more than about the rated 18~19 MPG under similar conditions.
- TirboTEX DLC: achieving super lubricity reduces friction losses, resulting in slight increase in fuel economy under light load conditions (typically flat or down-hill).
Goal #5
- Ford Performance Pro Cal: installed by dealer with paperwork and registration for warranty. Ford Performance developed the factor calibration and the Pro Cal. They maintain factory reliability through extensive testing including wind tunnels with hot dry air for knock resistance, full data pack testing in real-world conditions, account for factory production tolerances, maintain all thermal safeties for valves (prevent tuliping from overheating on exhaust side) and catalyst failures, optimize transmission torque lock slip energies and band temps, then perform 60k mile wear test with no measurable differences in wear rates from OE.
- TirboTEX DLC: oil lubrication failures are the most significant cause of major vehicle failures. In Situ DLC coatings reduce wear rates and enhance oil film strength on bearing surfaces by ~30%. Wear is primarily occurring on the DLC coating which can be re-applied periodically In Situ instead of wearing the bearing surfaces, which require part replacement once worn beyond service life. The better oil adhesion enhances serve condition reliability, especially as oils break down and thin out from heat. Increases survivability of components in dry-running conditions, providing more time to cease operation before permanent damage (i.e., an oil pump failure).
Goal #6
- Worksport AL4 Tonneau Cover: offers bed coverage against elements for typical on-road use cases where you might throw duffle bags or hard suit cases in the bed for family trips. Can easily be removed for maximum bed usage, tri-fold allows most large objects to be carried in bed without removal (except my ATV, where I need the max bed length).
Net Weight Gain or Loss from Total of Modifications (both Existing and Planned)
- Swap OE Bead locks for Method 705s = -54lbs total mass (including spare)
- Swap Pirelli XTM AT 285/70R17 = -15lbs total mass (including spare)
- Add Work Sport AL4 Tri-fold Tonneau = +35 lbs total mass
- Add L-Track ~= +10lbs with fasteners
- Swap Factory Side Steps for GOAT Rock Sliders ~= +40lbs total.
- Swap Factor IC for Wagner ~= +15lbs total.
- Ditch Lights / Brackets ~= +10lbs
Net Weight Gain ~= +41 lbs.
Most people on the forum seem to gravitate towards bigger tires and lifts to tackle rougher terrain. I have zero issues with that. But big tires have a LOT of trade-offs for little gain even in specific instances, sometimes that extra 1" of clearance matters, other times it's useless (obstacle doesn't require more clearance or well over another 1" anyway).
A 35x11.5" tire only nets you 1" of actual gain in minimum running clearance of the rear axle, but costs a lot in terms of acceleration, braking and turn-in while also reducing fuel economy and increasing stress on the steering (tie rods and rack) and drive train (diffs, axles, transition shock loads). Maybe someday I'll go over to the dark side with 35x11.5's if I shift focus, but this build right now if focused in a different direction than most. Road and Rally style driving.
My Uses for 24' RR
- High speed off-road rally-style on dirt roads, gravel roads, sand dunes and farm fields, including jumping the truck!
- Moderate trails level 1-5 which are scenic and relaxing.
- Back country roads with big potholes and very uneven surfaces, but very scenic and enjoyable to tour, including Hocking Hills, OH.
- long touring trips for extended stints on the highway to out of state destinations with my wife (i.e., NASCAR at Watkins Glen, visiting family out of state, vacations, date weekends etc.)
- To work just because I like driving it, mostly back country highways / roads.
- Home Depot runs for house projects (4x8 plywood, sheet rock, 2x4's etc.).
- Periodic towing (i.e., car dolly with compact cars, utility trailers for wood and haul ATVs).
- Camping (throw it all in the truck bed!)
- Backup vehicle just in case one of my two daily drivers is in service (wife drives a CX-50, I drive a 23' Mazda 3), nice to have a 3rd vehicle just in case the service is delayed on the dailys.
- Bad weather, like deep snow. Throw it in 4A and just GO!
- Keeping my wife happy because she also likes to drive it
Goals
1. Improve upon off-road capability without reducing overall high-speed performance or significantly increasing weight (< +50 lbs net).
2. Enhance on-road and off-road handling at high speeds (i.e., turn-in, braking, stability, predictability).
3. Enhance acceleration.
4. Maintain or improve upon factory fuel economy for highway use and long trips.
5. Maintain or improve upon factory reliability / durability.
6. Improve upon factory utility (i.e., towing, payload and cargo management) without significant additional weight (< +100 lbs net).
Implemented Modifications
1. Ford Performance Pro Cal
2. Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead Grip Wheels in Titanium Grey (including spare, so 5x total)
3. Worksport AL4 tonneau cover.
4. Line-x custom lining under the rocker panels for rock chip / corrosion protection.
5. Value Guard cavity wax inside weep holes for rockers / fenders to prevent internal corrosion.
6. Value Guard VG-104 coating behind pinch welds for additional corrosion protection (live in a state that sees lots of road salt in winter).
7. Torque Detail ceramic 2yr DIY coating to prevent clear coat oxidation over time and reduce scratches / corrosion on rock chips (wax over the rock chips to seal them off, worked well on other vehicles where they never rusted). I can do this myself in a few hours, once every 2 years for $100, not bad!
8. TirboTEX DLC of entire powertrain (engine, transmission, front and rear diffs, transfer case).
Planned Modifications
1. Pirelli XTM AT 285/70R17 - comparable forward bite and durability off and on-road to KO3's, better turn-in response and more predictable brake away characteristics both on and off-road, 3lbs lighter per tire than KO3's.
2. GOAT 20 Degree Angled Rock Sliders - enhances side clearance, the biggest grip most have with a stock RR for trails. Overall, it's pretty decent other than the side steps.
3. US Cargo Control 48" black anodized L-track x 4 rails in bed, very light weight option to enhance bed versatility. Only 2.5lbs per rail! Endless cargo management configurations.
4. Ditch Lights (undecided on what brand)
5. Wagner Intercooler (after 60k powertrain warranty is expired)
Modifications / Goal Relationships - As is Now (will periodically be updated as mods are added)
Goal #1
- Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead grip Wheels: 25.2 lbs per wheel vs. 36lbs from factory bead-locks. Bead grip technology provides 95% of the low-pressure bead reliability of a true bead lock but is maintenance free, DOT legal and more reliable on road. Slight increase in track-width from higher wheel off-set lowers CG further without reducing ground clearance or significantly altering scrub radius (which affects steering kick on rough terrain). Reduces rotating mass by 43lbs, reduces total mass (includes spare tire) by 54 lbs allowing the weight to be re-allocated to more productive uses (i.e., rock sliders, cargo management).
Goal #2
Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead grip Wheels: Reduced mass improves both braking and turn-in responsiveness. Increased track width lowers effective CG.
Goal #3
- Ford Performance Pro Cal: the additional 50HP / 106 lb-ft of torque reduces 1/4-mile time by approximately 5/10ths. Refined 10R60 shift logic enables better usage of available power.
- Method 705 17x8.5 ET+35 Bead grip Wheels: Reduced mass improves acceleration by reducing parasitic losses (allows more of the rated power to be utilized at the wheels).
- TirboTEX DLC: achieving super lubricity reduces friction losses, resulting in more power to the wheels (~1-3% on new vehicles).
Goal #4
- Ford Performance Pro Cal: no change in fuel economy over stock under normal driving conditions.
- Worksport AL4 Tonneau Cover: reduces drag losses from tail gate for highway driving. I managed almost 21 MPG a few times driving 77 MPH on I-80 (no headwind, in summer heat). Before the cover, I could not manage more than about the rated 18~19 MPG under similar conditions.
- TirboTEX DLC: achieving super lubricity reduces friction losses, resulting in slight increase in fuel economy under light load conditions (typically flat or down-hill).
Goal #5
- Ford Performance Pro Cal: installed by dealer with paperwork and registration for warranty. Ford Performance developed the factor calibration and the Pro Cal. They maintain factory reliability through extensive testing including wind tunnels with hot dry air for knock resistance, full data pack testing in real-world conditions, account for factory production tolerances, maintain all thermal safeties for valves (prevent tuliping from overheating on exhaust side) and catalyst failures, optimize transmission torque lock slip energies and band temps, then perform 60k mile wear test with no measurable differences in wear rates from OE.
- TirboTEX DLC: oil lubrication failures are the most significant cause of major vehicle failures. In Situ DLC coatings reduce wear rates and enhance oil film strength on bearing surfaces by ~30%. Wear is primarily occurring on the DLC coating which can be re-applied periodically In Situ instead of wearing the bearing surfaces, which require part replacement once worn beyond service life. The better oil adhesion enhances serve condition reliability, especially as oils break down and thin out from heat. Increases survivability of components in dry-running conditions, providing more time to cease operation before permanent damage (i.e., an oil pump failure).
Goal #6
- Worksport AL4 Tonneau Cover: offers bed coverage against elements for typical on-road use cases where you might throw duffle bags or hard suit cases in the bed for family trips. Can easily be removed for maximum bed usage, tri-fold allows most large objects to be carried in bed without removal (except my ATV, where I need the max bed length).
Net Weight Gain or Loss from Total of Modifications (both Existing and Planned)
- Swap OE Bead locks for Method 705s = -54lbs total mass (including spare)
- Swap Pirelli XTM AT 285/70R17 = -15lbs total mass (including spare)
- Add Work Sport AL4 Tri-fold Tonneau = +35 lbs total mass
- Add L-Track ~= +10lbs with fasteners
- Swap Factory Side Steps for GOAT Rock Sliders ~= +40lbs total.
- Swap Factor IC for Wagner ~= +15lbs total.
- Ditch Lights / Brackets ~= +10lbs
Net Weight Gain ~= +41 lbs.
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