Big Brother monitoring in 2027 - Reason to buy now [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Gris]

What if its an emergency in the middle of the night. It detects youre tired. Either wont start or slows you way down. This could be disastrous. Ive had to run family members or our dog to er in the middle of the night before. Had to drive fast as time was of the essence. Im sure I would've detected too tired by these new sensors detecting your pupils etc. Could've cost lives.

Does anyone know if the vehicle actually disables itself, or is there just warning?

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[Trust_But_Verify]

Makes me wonder what the vehicle will do if the system senses that the driver is dozing off while driving. Does this mean that all new vehicles subject to the NHTSA reg will also have at least some self driving capability or will it activate a screeching cabin alarm that startles the driver into next week? If the prior, I sense a price increase coming that'll surpass that $500 estimate.

 

[NM Mike]

If your vehicle has lane keeping assist, your vehicle already has the hardware and software needed to do most if not all of this. If enabled and you veer away from the center of hour lane, you get a warning. Veer too many times too frequently, you get a “suggestion” to pull over and drink some coffee. In your center display units, there are options for what you will allow your vehicle to send data to Ford. All it would take is an OTA update, and you could lose the ability to toggle off certain features and what and whom this data is sent to.
I keep the lane centering feature disabled, because many of the roads I travel to work are full of potholes and ruts. With the lane keeping feature enabled, I get warned constantly, but all I’m doing is avoiding the crappy road hazards.

 

[Bt_okst]

Does anyone know if the vehicle actually disables itself, or is there just warning?

Supposedly it can keep car from being started, limit speeds, etc. So many pitfalls to this technology.

 

[some_guy]

"... a federal mandate requiring surveillance technology that monitors your every blink, glance, and head nod. Thanks to Section 24220 of the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act ..."

That's from the link. You didn't explain why or how this impacts your decision. The underlying subject is a law passed very recently. The obvious implication of your post is that you don't like the law. Will the '27 models have less power or more weight because of this? That aspect isn't political, but I sense a different misgiving.

I have no problem with your decision or your opinion on the law, whatever it is. I just don't understand the administrator's admonition to avoid politics when the topic is inherently political.

I also respect the apparent goal of the site administrator, but sometimes balancing acts aren't possible. Trying to pick up the clean end of a turd is mission impossible.

Honestly all of this makes me want to get a 90s Land Cruiser or 4Runner because that will likely be the last ICE engine car I would ever be allowed to own

 

[fordc51]

If you are a older driver
, your new car may leave you stranded in the middle of the day or night because you dont have reflexes and eye movements

. I got my 25 xl that I really like.
This makes me want to also keep and rebuild/restore my 93 f150 vs getting rid of it. The govt. And insurance companies get more than enough of my money. Some seniors are trying to survive on ssi income only. The majority of seniors make a lot less than they did in their working yrs.

 

[Joshper1]

My 24 XLT reportedly does this. I haven’t seen that warning yet but I have gotten the 2 hands on the wheel one.

My 2025 XLT does this as well.

 

[makersmark98]

There will work arounds for this gauranteed. Otherwise might have to switch to Toyota as they are 10 years behind (at least in NZ/AU)

 

[Ron Quixote]

So I read through the statute and implementing regulations, and I don’t think this is as dire — yet — as various forums and Reddit are making it out to be.

For one thing, no final rule has been issued, so we don’t know exactly what this will look like. It could just be an advanced version of the “take a break” monitoring that many vehicles already have. I don’t see any requirements for interior cameras or AI or somesuch. These are mentioned as one way to implement the regulations, but there’s no requirement for them. I think the trickiest bit is BAC monitoring. If this comes to pass, it would obviously require a separate piece of hardware that you would have to blow into.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are plenty of ways for the feds to delay implementation of this rule. They are required to take cost and feasibility into account and can ask for multiple implementation extensions on this basis.

Most of this seems panic to be based on one Yahoo News article that contains zero nuance on any of this.

tl;dr There is no final rule. There is flexibility in how this gets implemented, and there are ample opportunities for delay. Nowhere do I see that interior cameras and AI are coming to every 2027 model car sold in America.

 

[Dr. TJG DVM]

So I read through the statute and implementing regulations, and I don’t think this is as dire — yet — as various forums and Reddit are making it out to be.

For one thing, no final rule has been issued, so we don’t know exactly what this will look like. It could just be an advanced version of the “take a break” monitoring that many vehicles already have. I don’t see any requirements for interior cameras or AI or somesuch. These are mentioned as one way to implement the regulations, but there’s no requirement for them. I think the trickiest bit is BAC monitoring. If this comes to pass, it would obviously require a separate piece of hardware that you would have to blow into.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are plenty of ways for the feds to delay implementation of this rule. They are required to take cost and feasibility into account and can ask for multiple implementation extensions on this basis.

Most of this seems panic to be based on one Yahoo News article that contains zero nuance on any of this.

tl;dr There is no final rule. There is flexibility in how this gets implemented, and there are ample opportunities for delay. Nowhere do I see that interior cameras and AI are coming to every 2027 model car sold in America.

Thanks for a balanced point of view on this topic, there are a lot of exaggerated takes on exactly what is in these proposed regulations. That being said the typical progression is proposed rule, comment period and final rule with no significant variation unless major lobbying powers have enough influence. This is a typical slippery slope situation (and we have probably already taken several steps on the icy hill). The groups that deny the slippery slope argument are always the ones that utilize it to progress their agenda. Hopefully there is a growing number of Americans that have had enough of this nonsense. On the other hand AI is coming whether anybody likes it or not. There is an ever increasing number of people who aren’t attentive responsible drivers. I think autonomous driving is coming eventually. My personal opinions are probably best illustrated by my Ranger’s plate (warning to the site administrator):

 

[Ron Quixote]

Thanks for a balanced point of view on this topic, there are a lot of exaggerated takes on exactly what is in these proposed regulations. That being said the typical progression is proposed rule, comment period and final rule with no significant variation unless major lobbying powers have enough influence. This is a typical slippery slope situation (and we have probably already taken several steps on the icy hill). The groups that deny the slippery slope argument are always the ones that utilize it to progress their agenda. Hopefully there is a growing number of Americans that have had enough of this nonsense. On the other hand AI is coming whether anybody likes it or not. There is an ever increasing number of people who aren’t attentive responsible drivers. I think autonomous driving is coming eventually.

I completely agree with you about wanting zero spy tech in my car. I don’t even particularly like radar cruise control. But I do think people need to take a deep breath and stop saying internal cameras + AI are coming to 2027 models. If that were going to happen, we’d be hearing from the industry about it because of the cost. It may happen eventually, but not quite yet, as far as I can tell.

 

[RangerFly]

Oh brother.... What are you trying to hide (OP)?

 

[Ron Quixote]

As predicted….

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a...aired-driving-detection-technology-not-ready/

 

[ryanO]

So I read through the statute and implementing regulations, and I don’t think this is as dire — yet — as various forums and Reddit are making it out to be.

For one thing, no final rule has been issued, so we don’t know exactly what this will look like. It could just be an advanced version of the “take a break” monitoring that many vehicles already have. I don’t see any requirements for interior cameras or AI or somesuch. These are mentioned as one way to implement the regulations, but there’s no requirement for them. I think the trickiest bit is BAC monitoring. If this comes to pass, it would obviously require a separate piece of hardware that you would have to blow into.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are plenty of ways for the feds to delay implementation of this rule. They are required to take cost and feasibility into account and can ask for multiple implementation extensions on this basis.

Most of this seems panic to be based on one Yahoo News article that contains zero nuance on any of this.

tl;dr There is no final rule. There is flexibility in how this gets implemented, and there are ample opportunities for delay. Nowhere do I see that interior cameras and AI are coming to every 2027 model car sold in America.

Although your review does make me happy, the fact that the folks in the Federal Government believe they can even think to do this is troubling. That said, it's really the average American that votes these ass clowns into office that are the source of the problem.

 

[Dr. TJG DVM]

Although your review does make me happy, the fact that the folks in the Federal Government believe they can even think to do this is troubling. That said, it's really the average American that votes these ass clowns into office that are the source of the problem.

Well put, we vote these ass clowns into office who then abdicate their authority to bureaucratic agencies that think they know best for everyone (apologies to the site admin)

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