12" Display Questions. Are these Normal?

[FergyA]

So I got a good deal on a 12" cluster from a wrecked Lariat and swapped it in for the 8" cluster from my XLT yesterday. More about that process here if you're interested. I think I'm the first to do this on a US model? Pardon making a new thread about these, but I wanted to get more eyes on these questions and the old thread disappears instantly with how fast this forum moves.

I've noticed a few things about the new cluster that are making me have second thoughts (namely that it's worth the almost $400 upgrade and actually an improvement), and I'm trying to figure out if these are related to my Forscan config or if this is just how the 12" (Lariat/Raptor) cluster is. Can anyone confirm these?

1. The bar in the fuel economy page seems to have a much slower update than the 8" screen. It jumps around and only seems to update every 1-2 seconds or so. On the 8" it was more or less instant and moved at the same rate as the speed or RPM, but a half second behind. e.g. blipping the throttle would make the MPG dip for example, and you would see a smooth drop and rise back up. Now I just see a single frame drop a second after, and a second later it snaps back up.

2. The mode select seems to be reversed... The drive modes were listed in a semi-circular vertical menu on the 8" and turning the knob left to go down the list made sense. Now on the 12" the list is across the bottom of the display L-R, but I still have to turn the knob left to advance drive modes. I found a forscan toggle labelled "Drive Mode Control Mirror", but this doesn't seem to change anything. I can't imagine this is how this is normally? AI is trying to tell me the drive mode knob is different on Lariat/Raptor, and that's what reverses it, but I find that hard to believe...

3. The turn signals are extremely quiet. If I roll my windows down I can't even hear them. It's less of a tick tick now and more of a tock tock which is less prominent. I haven't yet checked to see if it's still coming out of the speakers too, but I suspect it's not.

Appreciate any input!

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[Valydathor]

So I got a good deal on a 12" cluster from a wrecked Lariat and swapped it in for the 8" cluster from my XLT yesterday. More about that process here if you're interested. I think I'm the first to do this on a US model? Pardon making a new thread about these, but I wanted to get more eyes on these questions and the old thread disappears instantly with how fast this forum moves.

I've noticed a few things about the new cluster that are making me have second thoughts (namely that it's worth the almost $400 upgrade and actually an improvement), and I'm trying to figure out if these are related to my Forscan config or if this is just how the 12" (Lariat/Raptor) cluster is. Can anyone confirm these?

1. The bar in the fuel economy page seems to have a much slower update than the 8" screen. It jumps around and only seems to update every 2-3 seconds or so. On the 8" it was more or less instant and moved at the same rate as the speed or RPM, but a half second behind. e.g. blipping the throttle would make the MPG dip for example, and you would see a smooth drop and rise back up. Now I just see a single frame drop a few seconds after, and a few seconds later it snaps back up.

2. The mode select seems to be reversed... The drive modes were listed in a semi-circular vertical menu on the 8" and turning the knob left to go down the list made sense. Now on the 12" the list is across the bottom of the display L-R, but I still have to turn the knob left to advance drive modes. I found a forscan toggle labelled "Drive Mode Control Mirror", but this doesn't seem to change anything. I can't imagine this is how this is normally? AI is trying to tell me the drive mode knob is different on Lariat/Raptor, and that's what reverses it, but I find that hard to believe...

3. The turn signals are extremely quiet. If I roll my windows down I can't even hear them. It's less of a tick tick now and more of a tock tock which is less prominent. I haven't yet checked to see if it's still coming out of the speakers too, but I suspect it's not.

Appreciate any input!

Fuel Economy Page: Yes, the lag is standard for the 12" cluster. The Lariat/Raptor screens feature different animations that average out data rather than updating in real-time, unlike the sensitive, instant feedback on the 8" screen.
Drive Mode Knob/Mirroring: This is normal for the 12" display, and unfortunately, the drive mode list layout is locked to how Ford programmed the Lariat/Raptor firmware. The "Drive Mode Control Mirror" toggle refers to display mirroring on secondary screens and won't fix this behavior.
Quiet Turn Signals: This is a known symptom of the 8" to 12" swap. The turn signal clicker sound on the higher-trim clusters is routed through the Audio Control Module (ACM) or Sony/B&O amplifier logic, and some XLT wiring configurations cause the volume to dip.
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[OxygenMask]

25 RR.
1. Mine responds pretty much instantly.
2. Pretty sure the mode knob is indeed different on the Raptor, and is displayed differently as well. Mine shows the drive modes across the bottom of the screen with Normal in the middle. Turn knob counter clockwise to move left and clockwise to move right.
3. My turn signal sound appears to come from the driver's side A-pillar speaker. Soft click. Never realized it before.

 

[FergyA]

Good data points, thanks! The Raptor cluster is yet another model I know, so interesting to hear how different it is. Normal is on the far left of the mode select for me with the Lariat cluster. Makes sense that the Raptor knob would be different too since you have 4A, but needing a different knob from XLT to Lariat with the same modes and features seems a little weird. (With the FX4 package and trailer assist setups also being different you'd end up with like 15 different knob configs...)

Honestly I'm debating taking it back out. The biggest feature I was looking for was a battery gauge, but it turns out the Lariat cluster doesn't get that... only Raptor. (Which is an absolutely sad statement on the times...) I guess maybe I need to wait for a Raptor cluster.

If I can fix the drive mode reverse and quiet turn signals I might keep it, but otherwise it's a big step backwards in functionality for a "prettier" screen. I've got a week to return it (or honestly I might be able to resell it since it was kind of mis-listed) so I'll give it a chance and see.

 

[FergyA]

I think I'm going to pull it :/ I just went out to try a few more Forscan changes to try and fix the turn signals only to find that it also doesn't save any of my settings after the IPC goes fully to sleep... Then I drove it around the block and my audio changes didn't work and I couldn't even hear the turn signals over my air conditioning. Love the look, but I don't think I can justify it for the price and loss of functionality. And I'm not good enough at Forscan to try and debug this all.

 

[TurboRanger]

Send it to the dealer tell them it don't work right

 

[FergyA]

Send it to the dealer tell them it don't work right

Yeah, unfortunately I trust my local dealer about as far as I can throw them... Plus I'm pretty sure they'd just say they aren't compatible and call it at that. It sounds like they'd have to replace the ACM and mode knob with Lariat versions to make it work, and those are over $1200 just in parts if bought OEM (plus they wouldn't sell me anything not for my trim anyway...) And who knows what XLT hardware those wouldn't be compatible with... Not worth the money or trouble.

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