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My understanding is that there will be a Job 2 with additional allocations, but no one knows how many or how those allocations will be given. The 1 allocation per dealer is for Job 1.
Need product to sell. No product or limited product with ADM fees will push me to Chevy to be honest. I'm so over this Ford drama, delays, uncertain plans, ADM fees, limited inventory, etc. Pretty much over it at this point that it'l be a lot easier to walk into a competitors showroom and buy something for a lot less and no freaking Ford dealer drama.
 

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Makes no sense. Everyone here, including dealers, are commenting that Ford is only allocating one RR for each dealer....That's about 3000 dealers. So they will stop making them after a month of production and be done?
Huh? That has nothing to do with the total number of trucks they're planning to build for the model year. Just how many trucks they're planning to build in March, to give an idea of how fast they're going to knock out the stack of orders they're sitting on.
 

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Need product to sell. No product or limited product with ADM fees will push me to Chevy to be honest. I'm so over this Ford drama, delays, uncertain plans, ADM fees, limited inventory, etc. Pretty much over it at this point that it'l be a lot easier to walk into a competitors showroom and buy something for a lot less and no freaking Ford dealer drama.
It's kind of par for the course for a Ford Performance vehicle, they have always had limited allocations. Most of them have to be custom ordered or you're paying an ADM for one that is on a lot. My Focus RS took 10 months from when I ordered it. Add in a strike and supply chains still not being back up to 100% and the timeline / delays aren't really anything unexpected.

Ford Performance vehicles are halo vehicles and they intentionally limit how many are produced. Which is nice when you get one, I sold my RS for 88% of MSRP 7 years and 50k miles later. It does suck if you need to buy a vehicle now, but if not it's just more time to build up a bigger down payment. Just need to have some patience and set expectations appropriately.

Yeah you can get a cheaper truck from a competitor, but it's also going to have significantly less power. Having found a dealer with no ADM some of the competitors are more expensive even.
 

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Huh? That has nothing to do with the total number of trucks they're planning to build for the model year. Just how many trucks they're planning to build in March, to give an idea of how fast they're going to knock out the stack of orders they're sitting on.
I don't think this is quite accurate - it's not how many they are planning to build in March specifically, it's how many they are building for Job 1 which is just the first run of the model year. With some people being scheduled in January, it will probably run from January until they get through the first allocation for each dealer. So it could run from January - March, or April/May even. Then Job 2 will use some formula to give dealers additional allocations for the rest of the model year.
 

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I don't think this is quite accurate - it's not how many they are planning to build in March specifically, it's how many they are building for Job 1 which is just the first run of the model year. With some people being scheduled in January, it will probably run from January until they get through the first allocation for each dealer. So it could run from January - March, or April/May even. Then Job 2 will use some formula to give dealers additional allocations for the rest of the model year.
That's not what Long McArthur Ford said in their video last week. They said those are the production numbers for the month of March, not Job 1.

If Ford was only planning to build 4200 trucks for half of a model year, they might as well just cancel the Ranger in North America now. ?

I'd bet they build 25-35k total Ranger for the 2024 MY. Maybe 3-5k of those will be Raptors. And that's assuming a short production year for the time lost to the strike.

Hell if they only manage to sell 35k Rangers for the 2024 MY they'll probably be looking to axe the Ranger soon anyways. They'd probably like that number to be around 100k+ units a year.

 

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That's not what Long McArthur Ford said in their video last week. They said those are the production numbers for the month of March, not Job 1.

If Ford was only planning to build 4200 trucks for half of a model year, they might as well just cancel the Ranger in North America now. ?

I'd bet they build 25-35k total Ranger for the 2024 MY. Maybe 3-5k of those will be Raptors. And that's assuming a short production year for the time lost to the strike.

Hell if they only manage to sell 35k Rangers for the 2024 MY they'll probably be looking to axe the Ranger soon anyways. They'd probably like that number to be around 100k+ units a year.

I think there's some wires crossed on what's being discussed here.. some people are talking about overall production and some are talking about Raptors specifically.

You were talking about overall production and the comment you quoted was talking more about Ranger Raptors, which is what I am talking about. Job 1 has 1 Ranger Raptor allocated per dealer, for a total of ~3000, Job 2 will have additional unknown allocations. I don't think we know how many non-Raptors will be in Job 1, or how long it will run for. No one is saying Job 1 is only March.

Makes no sense. Everyone here, including dealers, are commenting that Ford is only allocating one RR for each dealer....That's about 3000 dealers. So they will stop making them after a month of production and be done?
Long McArthur Ford said that 3500 non-Raptor Rangers will be produced in March and 700 Raptors. So Job 1 will be ~3000 Raptors + however many non-Raptors end up being produced. If they make 700 Raptors every month Job 1 may run for 4-5 months. But nothing Long McArthur Ford said changes what we know about Job 1.

Match planned production is 3500 plus 700 Raptors
 

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Need product to sell. No product or limited product with ADM fees will push me to Chevy to be honest. I'm so over this Ford drama, delays, uncertain plans, ADM fees, limited inventory, etc. Pretty much over it at this point that it'l be a lot easier to walk into a competitors showroom and buy something for a lot less and no freaking Ford dealer drama.
Everyone should call their dang dealerships and make sure your orders were put in as retail instead of stock. I ordered my RR day one, put a non refundable deposit down, agreed to a small ADM, and my damn dealer put my order in as a stock order. That means despite being as early as possible to order one, I am still in the dark about when the dang thing might be built. My dealer is now telling me they have a second RR ordered as a stock order that already has a VIN, window sticker, and build date of this month. If they only get one allocation, and the truck I didn’t specifically order for myself is delivered first, does that then mean mine won’t be built till job 2 since their one allocation is filled? At least my dealer said I can have the first one they get, but it’s black instead of Azure, so lame. Hope all the rest of y’all have better luck than me.
 

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Everyone should call their dang dealerships and make sure your orders were put in as retail instead of stock. I ordered my RR day one, put a non refundable deposit down, agreed to a small ADM, and my damn dealer put my order in as a stock order. That means despite being as early as possible to order one, I am still in the dark about when the dang thing might be built. My dealer is now telling me they have a second RR ordered as a stock order that already has a VIN, window sticker, and build date of this month. If they only get one allocation, and the truck I didn’t specifically order for myself is delivered first, does that then mean mine won’t be built till job 2 since their one allocation is filled? At least my dealer said I can have the first one they get, but it’s black instead of Azure, so lame. Hope all the rest of y’all have better luck than me.
I'll take the Black one :)
 

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I think there's some wires crossed on what's being discussed here.. some people are talking about overall production and some are talking about Raptors specifically.

You were talking about overall production and the comment you quoted was talking more about Ranger Raptors, which is what I am talking about. Job 1 has 1 Ranger Raptor allocated per dealer, for a total of ~3000, Job 2 will have additional unknown allocations. I don't think we know how many non-Raptors will be in Job 1, or how long it will run for. No one is saying Job 1 is only March.



Long McArthur Ford said that 3500 non-Raptor Rangers will be produced in March and 700 Raptors. So Job 1 will be ~3000 Raptors + however many non-Raptors end up being produced. If they make 700 Raptors every month Job 1 may run for 4-5 months. But nothing Long McArthur Ford said changes what we know about Job 1.
Whatever Ford's narrative, their current regurgitation is they are building one RR for every dealer and this is the same story dealers are spewing and what all of us are hearing. Clearly it's all fabricated. Gee, what a business model. I'm assuming they want their first runs to be their most profitable before they start building/releasing more at lower margins. I assumed the US mid sized truck market would support more than Ford making 3000. Seems Toyota is still clearly leading by a large margin and this trend will continue.
 

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That's not what Long McArthur Ford said in their video last week. They said those are the production numbers for the month of March, not Job 1.

If Ford was only planning to build 4200 trucks for half of a model year, they might as well just cancel the Ranger in North America now. ?

I'd bet they build 25-35k total Ranger for the 2024 MY. Maybe 3-5k of those will be Raptors. And that's assuming a short production year for the time lost to the strike.

Hell if they only manage to sell 35k Rangers for the 2024 MY they'll probably be looking to axe the Ranger soon anyways. They'd probably like that number to be around 100k+ units a year.

Why would anyone pay attention to these stories. It's been BS since last year and continues. March, yeah sure...The story is so long in the tooth they need to just drop it altogether. They can't plan a product date even if someone held a gun to their heads.
 

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Aslo, if you are in at retail should be receiving the emails from customer relations.
They are also messing them up and sending out blanket noticed.
Specially the one dated Jan 3rd.
Myself, like many others received the same notice.
I happen to be at the plant this week, we ran a report and found it has a VIN and scheduled week of March 3rd.
It also shows it originally had a build in Feb but changed once already, could get changed again.
This order was for a RR ordered the first day order banks opened.
So, forget those notices and check directly if your order does already have a VIN
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Need product to sell. No product or limited product with ADM fees will push me to Chevy to be honest. I'm so over this Ford drama, delays, uncertain plans, ADM fees, limited inventory, etc. Pretty much over it at this point that it'l be a lot easier to walk into a competitors showroom and buy something for a lot less and no freaking Ford dealer drama.
Ok - see you later ?
 

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Need product to sell. No product or limited product with ADM fees will push me to Chevy to be honest. I'm so over this Ford drama, delays, uncertain plans, ADM fees, limited inventory, etc. Pretty much over it at this point that it'l be a lot easier to walk into a competitors showroom and buy something for a lot less and no freaking Ford dealer drama.

yes on my 3rd build week of date, I can't believe I am standing for this BS. I traded my 2023 in
a few months ago never thinking this would go on, driving my 21 year old Ranger not that I don't love
 

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yes on my 3rd build week of date, I can't believe I am standing for this BS. I traded my 2023 in
a few months ago never thinking this would go on, driving my 21 year old Ranger not that I don't love
Yea, that's too bad. To me, it was/is pretty clear. Until I see one in a dealership, I assume they aren't available. The thought of paying an ADM charge to be "first in line" doesn't appeal to me ever. I'll wait for the bargins downstream.
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