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The "dimple" is standard.

The marks on the bottom left, I'm not sure. It looks like casting? Tough to find another picture of another one of that point online and the truck isn't with me.
For a critical component like this, you would think they would use a forged component. Is it aluminum? It's hard to tell as the color looks so similar to the control arm.
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Looking at that, it looks like something either pushed in on the tie rod from the front, like perhaps an obstruction, or pulled backwards on it. Nothing else would bend it like that.

Pressure on the wheel could never bend the rod that way. Wheel pressure would damage other things first or damage other things along with that rod bend.

The major stress on that rod from wheel or steering force is overwhelmingly compression or tension (stretch), not bending. Being bent, something had to pull or push at right angles on the rod.

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I'm glad you both are OK with no injuries. I just purchased my 25 Raptor and have been researching upgrades. I saw a company that is selling reinforcing sleeves for the tie rod ends because of how small they appear to be.

I believe after your episode that I will be ordering a set for mine.
My 2¢ on bandaid workarounds...
Although understand the premise behind the sleeve, my take it's a technically 'unknown 'solution'.

Reengineering is the answer...Fouts makes great AM products so could be wrong. In many cases like this, full problem analysis typically lacking for the entire system. Symptomatic attempt(s) by just adding 'stuff' is questionable.

For 'critical' safety components like steering/suspension components and assemblies extensive testing and engineering sign-off, certs are standard practice and many times a legal requirement.

Simply stated - - Proper engineering and load/stress analysis necessary to validate parts and assemblies range of operating conditions to ensure robust, effective solutions for function and safety...clearly poorly done by Ford.
 

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My 2¢ on bandaid workarounds...
Although understand the premise behind the sleeve, my take it's a technically 'unknown 'solution'.

Reengineering is the answer...Fouts makes great AM products so could be wrong. In many cases like this, full problem analysis typically lacking for the entire system. Symptomatic attempt(s) by just adding 'stuff' is questionable.

For 'critical' safety components like steering/suspension components and assemblies extensive testing and engineering sign-off, certs are standard practice and many times a legal requirement.

Simply stated - - Proper engineering and load/stress analysis necessary to validate parts and assemblies range of operating conditions to ensure robust, effective solutions for function and safety...clearly poorly done by Ford.
I agree......Sometimes the aftermarket world gets ahead of the manufacture. Something as simple design as this sleeve appears might save me the same fait.
 

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After reading all this, I think it's fairly obvious that the damage to the tie rod was originally caused in transport by someone improperly securing the truck and way overtightening a securing strap or chain. One other option is that in moving it around or onto the truck it ran over something to cause serious damage.

I had a 1982 Bronco hit a short stump hidden in tall grass at about 10mph and the damage to it was very similar to what this looks like. The mechanic I took it to was a highly known and respected race car and truck mechanic and the list of parts he replaced was crazy. I didn't have to pay for it because he had already agreed to buy the truck after hunting season. That truck had survived 264,000 miles of very extreme use both in Colorado mountains and here in North Florida when we hunted deer with dogs. It was brutally tough and never needed anything but maintenance. That stump in one short few seconds did more damage to the whole front suspension than the tortuous 264,000 miles I had subjected it to up until then.

Regardless I'd get on the horn with Ford Corporate and insist that a genuine Ford Technician look at it and recommend repair along with replacing any and all parts that could have been stressed/damaged up to and including the tie rod failure.

These trucks are very highly specialized and your average dealership mechanic will have absolutely NO idea how to diagnose, much less fix, all the problems caused by this catastrophic steering failure.

SERIOUSLY do NOT let the dealership touch this truck without a Ford Corporate technician having a look and giving recommendations or even importing a specialist to look it over and maybe even do the repair themselves. I had one look at a problem I had with my 2019 F-150 Raptor once. The local technicians were very grateful to have his input.

This is a full on race truck and I would have a serious problem with ever trusting it again if it were mine and if I didn't get a truly qualified technician to either perform the work or at least oversee it.
 

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My 2¢ on bandaid workarounds...
Although understand the premise behind the sleeve, my take it's a technically 'unknown 'solution'.

Reengineering is the answer...Fouts makes great AM products so could be wrong. In many cases like this, full problem analysis typically lacking for the entire system. Symptomatic attempt(s) by just adding 'stuff' is questionable.

For 'critical' safety components like steering/suspension components and assemblies extensive testing and engineering sign-off, certs are standard practice and many times a legal requirement.

Simply stated - - Proper engineering and load/stress analysis necessary to validate parts and assemblies range of operating conditions to ensure robust, effective solutions for function and safety...clearly poorly done by Ford.
Maybe, but I don't buy the last statement. Ford has been making tie rods for decades. There's nothing special or unusual about a TRE on a new Raptor. I'd bet if you crossed reverenced P/Ns, you would find this same part on many of Ford's products, and even on other makes. My 1¢, it might be a defective part due to manufacturing defects, or as others stated, damaged during shipping.
This is the first I've heard of this failure, on this forum or on the 5G forum. Although I did see a video of a snapped rod on a Bronco, but I think that guy hit a ditch the wrong way, and hard. I've seen a few members on 5G had rear leaf springs break due to poor metallurgy.
 

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Maybe, but I don't buy the last statement. Ford has been making tie rods for decades. There's nothing special or unusual about a TRE on a new Raptor. I'd bet if you crossed reverenced P/Ns, you would find this same part on many of Ford's products, and even on other makes. My 1¢, it might be a defective part due to manufacturing defects, or as others stated, damaged during shipping.
This is the first I've heard of this failure, on this forum or on the 5G forum. Although I did see a video of a snapped rod on a Bronco, but I think that guy hit a ditch the wrong way, and hard. I've seen a few members on 5G had rear leaf springs break due to poor metallurgy.
Still looking for the pile of broken or snapped Ford Performance RR and BR tie rods at the Raptor Assault Course that require an AM sleeve to prevent. If any place would break them by the dozen, that would be it.
 

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After reading all this, I think it's fairly obvious that the damage to the tie rod was originally caused in transport by someone improperly securing the truck and way overtightening a securing strap or chain. One other option is that in moving it around or onto the truck it ran over something to cause serious damage.
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The part of this theory that doesn't add up is this: If the damage was existing at delivery and bad enough to cause a break like that, it would have been noticeable as it would have tracked horribly from day 1. I think, like @embedded rock first suggested, that there was some kind of a steering failure leading to the mishap and when the truck went sideways into the ditch the wheel was forced hard against the side of the ditch and bent/snapped the tie rod.

The worrisome part is that the dealer may find nothing wrong with it besides the broken tie rod and may call it "driver error" or "accident damage".
 
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The part of this theory that doesn't add up is this: If the damage was existing at delivery and bad enough to cause a break like that, it would have been noticeable as it would have tracked horribly from day 1. I think, like @embedded rock first suggested, that there was some kind of a steering failure leading to the mishap and when the truck went sideways into the ditch the wheel was forced hard against the side of the ditch and bent/snapped the tie rod.
This is the direction I am leaning towards as well. From what I did see/notice, assembly paint still in place indicating to me that the alignment had not been altered from the factory. Had something been bent at transport, the truck would have been squirrelly with some wild toe parameters.

It's the bend at the failure point that has me scratching my head.

The worrisome part is that the dealer may find nothing wrong with it besides the broken tie rod and may call it "driver error" or "accident damage".
And this is squarely where I've been sitting since Saturday. My gut has been turning waiting for the "well, this is your fault" phone call.

All told, the impact when the truck came to a rest was effectively square in that the truck body was parallel to the ditch plane, but the wheels (or at least the steering wheel.......) were likely in an opposite lock from the spin as I attempted to counter. Again, the impact in the ditch was really nothing - certainly not something that I would have expected to snap a tie rod.

As it sits, I have not received a follow up call of where we're at. Maybe more news tomorrow...
 

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The tie rods\power steering are a weaker point on this platform.

....But not THAT weak 🤯

Glad no one was hurt.

That Tie rod had to to be damaged elsewhere, prior to your turn where everything went sideways. If you haven't bashed anything with it since you purchased, maybe it was chained down improperly during transport or someone hit a barrier at the dealer lot? Or maybe it fell off the ramp while unloading and someone was scared to speak up? 🤷‍♂️

You only need to upgrade the rack and rods if you are going with 37" tires or more IMO, the stock setup should handle up to 35's as long as you aren't an idiot while wheeling and don't abuse the front end (constantly cranking wheel in deep ruts, against rocks or other heavy resistance, or if a tire catches\snags while at high speed or during heavy impact)

Something to consider if you upgrade the tie rods but not the HOSS...is that the rack case then becomes the failure point, which is far more costly and not field swappable. If it happens in the bush you'll looking at a hefty tow bill plus a new rack. Ford designed the raptor to snap a cheap tie rod before the steering rack.

IMO either upgrade both, or simply be aware of the limits of stock setup and carry a spare tie rod while off road.

74weld sells steering upgrades of various strengths (Stage 1-3) to upgrade the existing HOSS steering rack, and while it is physically fairly straight forward to swap, be aware I think you will need a forscan connection to enable the computer to recognize it on first connect.
 
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The part of this theory that doesn't add up is this: If the damage was existing at delivery and bad enough to cause a break like that, it would have been noticeable as it would have tracked horribly from day 1. I think, like @embedded rock first suggested, that there was some kind of a steering failure leading to the mishap and when the truck went sideways into the ditch the wheel was forced hard against the side of the ditch and bent/snapped the tie rod.

The worrisome part is that the dealer may find nothing wrong with it besides the broken tie rod and may call it "driver error" or "accident damage".
Good point. There should also be some kind of additional damage even cosmetically, possibly to ball joints or even the Fox shock. Tie rods have very high tensile strength but the weakest part is the threaded area and it broke near the nut. It is also possible that lane centering was on and the vehicle made a correction that caused it. Don't know what effect lane centering has on dirt roads where the road sides are not uniform or the sensor finds it, doesn't find it, then finds it again etc. And as you say the dealer may claim it was driver induced, not a part failure, thus no warranty coverage.. Still trying to wrap my head around a RR built to withstand a lot of stress and strain snapping a tie rod like that.
 
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The tie rods\power steering are a weaker point on this platform

....But not THAT weak 🤯

Glad no one was hurt.

That Tie rod had to to be damaged elsewhere, prior to your turn where everything went sideways. If you haven't bashed anything with it since you purchased, maybe it was chained down improperly during transport or a staffer rode over a barrier at the dealer and was scared to speak up? 🤷‍♂️

You only need to upgrade the rack and rods if you are going with 37" tires or more IMO, the stock setup should handle up to 35's as long as you aren't an idiot while wheeling and don't abuse the front end (cranking wheel in deep ruts, against rocks or other heavy resistance, or if a tire catches\snags while at high speed)

Something to consider if you upgrade the tie rods but not the HOSS...is that the rack case then becomes the failure point, which is far more costly. It's designed to snap a cheap tie rod before the steering rack.

IMO upgrade both, or simply be aware of the limits of stock setup and carry a spare tie rod while off road. The HOSS steering rack is physically fairly straight forward to swap, but be aware you will need a forscan connection to enable the computer to recognize it.

74weld sells steering rack housings of various strengths (Stage 1-3) to upgrade the existing HOSS steering rack.
For what it's worth, a big reason I purchased this truck is because there's really not anything that I want to do to it. I was after a turn-key, ready to rock, fun truck to drive most days. Who knows, years from now, maybe I will want to start going down the rabbit hole, but it's really a truck that from the factory has everything I'd want. When these 33" K03s wear out, I'd replace them with 33" K03s. Its use case for me is something cool, fun, and interesting to take the office and the occasional off shoot on a wide forest service road just because. I already have an extremely capable off-roader with all kinds of kits and bobs that takes on severe duty - stuff this truck wouldn't come close to seeing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for upgrading instead of replacing. But I shouldn't be upgrading something off the showroom floor to address faults either...
 

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For what it's worth, a big reason I purchased this truck is because there's really not anything that I want to do to it. I was after a turn-key, ready to rock, fun truck to drive most days.
I hear ya, this is definitely a defect or improper setup that caused this, I assure you all the raptor owners here aren't snapping tie rods every left turn they make lol...people would be dying and the lawsuits flying.

Ford will fix it, but in your case id recommend keeping an eye on it for the first few months just to be sure there isn't some other mitigating factor or defect that caused this.

Don't let this hiccup spoil your experience.

I honestly think this is one of the best trucks I've ever owned., particularly in the modern era where the manufacturers just seem to be pushing out cheap computerized junk left and right. The Ranger Raptor is a really strong package right off the lot with HUGE upgrade potential and this community is pretty awesome too, lots of knowledge here and though it is small it is growing.

Cheers from the north brother, reach out anytime
 
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I hear ya, this is definitely a defect or improper setup that caused this, I assure you all the raptor owners here aren't snapping tie rods every left turn they make lol...people would be dying and the lawsuits flying.

Ford will fix it, but in your case id recommend keeping an eye on it for the first few months just to be sure there isn't some other mitigating factor or defect that caused this.

Don't let this hiccup spoil your experience.

I honestly think this is one of the best trucks I've ever owned., particularly in the modern era where the manufacturers just seem to be pushing out cheap computerized junk left and right. The Ranger Raptor is a really strong package right off the lot with HUGE upgrade potential and this community is pretty awesome too, lots of knowledge here and though it is small it is growing.

Cheers from the north brother, reach out anytime
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Well said.
I love my 24 RR so much I now have two of them. Lol.
‘Traded my Land Rover in on a 25 model a month or so ago. I now have one with a topper on it and made it sort of SUV-ish, the 24 is still setup more truckster.
I just love the size and how well they drive on and off road.
 

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This could be off topic a bit, but maybe not.

Anyone watch SCORE coverage of the Baja 1000? Ford Racing (FR) entered 4 Raptors. Two F150's, BR, and a RR. The RR failed in about 20 minutes. The crew got out and were shown looking at the left front from the side. The RR was repaired, but finished past the 36 hour time limit. I never heard what problem the FR RR experienced. Does anyone know what happened to the RR? Curious they were looking at the left front in the direction of the tire.
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