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Yea. I did I was comparing them optioned as similar as possible.
They didn’t offer the 2.7 in 24, least not till the very very end of 24 production.
‘Very true there is not very many 2.7 Rangers in 24.
‘Not sure what the 2.7 production numbers look like for 25, but I would not even consider a Ranger without a v6.
Yes I was comparing more apples to apples.
Least as close as you can get them. V6 4x4 tow pkg, skid plates etc on both.
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@cc1999 you added $4,200 in options. Especially the v6 option which costs over $2k but looking at cars.com only 1/4 rangers from 2024 onwards including Raptor have the v6.

Fact is the sales price is lower, unless you create some contrived scenario. Here's a new 4x4 Lariat vs the cheapest new Raptor, it's over 10k higher:

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No one denies that you can buy a Lariat much cheaper than a Raptor. The Raptor comes loaded with an amazing 3.0 engine. It also has a locking front axle, live valve 2.5 fox shocks, and a watts-link rear suspension. Unless your concerned about towing capacity or can't afford the upgrade, there is no comparison.
 

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Except I never claimed apples to apples. I can go and buy and enjoy a 4x4 Lariat without needing fox shocks, v6, offroad styling, locking diffs.

The point was not to make a Raptor Lariat, it's to express that any notions of equal or better value are based on such contrived scenarios where you assume those features have value to everyone same as they do to you.
I'm just stating bang for buck. Any Ranger, any trim, is a great truck and best in class.
 

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So with Sirius XM 360L you can stream their "streaming" stations without going through a phone? I wonder if there is a way to upgrade to that in a 2025? I stream Sirius XM through my phone all the time, that would be a nice upgrade for me.
 
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Yea. I did I was comparing them optioned as similar as possible.
They didn’t offer the 2.7 in 24, least not till the very very end of 24 production.
‘Very true there is not very many 2.7 Rangers in 24.
‘Not sure what the 2.7 production numbers look like for 25, but I would not even consider a Ranger without a v6.
Yes I was comparing more apples to apples.
Least as close as you can get them. V6 4x4 tow pkg, skid plates etc on both.
You're absolutely right, your comparison is a direct apples-to-apples look at two V6-powered trucks, and for a buyer who absolutely must have that V6, your TCO logic holds up.

But that isn't the starting point for most buyers.

Your entire argument hinges on the buyer wanting the optional, upgraded V6 Lariat. The reality for the majority of the market is that the standard 2.3L Lariat is the benchmark. That truck is not only significantly cheaper upfront, but it's also more practical with better fuel economy and a higher towing capacity.

That brings me to the performance argument. Since I already have a sports car, the Raptor's acceleration advantage doesn't justify the cost for me. Its real strength is in high-speed off-roading, something I cannot afford to do with my $65,000 truck, or even $50,000 if we're talking Lariat with tax, tag, title, and all.

So while I see how the Raptor can be the better value in the very specific scenario you've created, I believe for the majority of Lariat buyers, the TCO is undoubtedly lower on the standard, more practical model.
 

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You're absolutely right, your comparison is a direct apples-to-apples look at two V6-powered trucks, and for a buyer who absolutely must have that V6, your TCO logic holds up.

But that isn't the starting point for most buyers.

Your entire argument hinges on the buyer wanting the optional, upgraded V6 Lariat. The reality for the majority of the market is that the standard 2.3L Lariat is the benchmark. That truck is not only significantly cheaper upfront, but it's also more practical with better fuel economy and a higher towing capacity.

That brings me to the performance argument. Since I already have a sports car, the Raptor's acceleration advantage doesn't justify the cost for me. Its real strength is in high-speed off-roading, something I cannot afford to do with my $65,000 truck, or even $50,000 if we're talking Lariat with tax, tag, title, and all.

So while I see how the Raptor can be the better value in the very specific scenario you've created, I believe for the majority of Lariat buyers, the TCO is undoubtedly lower on the standard, more practical model.
Going by your logic, why not just compare a XL 4x4 with no options? Still a great truck that costs even less.
 

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You're absolutely right, your comparison is a direct apples-to-apples look at two V6-powered trucks, and for a buyer who absolutely must have that V6, your TCO logic holds up.

But that isn't the starting point for most buyers.

Your entire argument hinges on the buyer wanting the optional, upgraded V6 Lariat. The reality for the majority of the market is that the standard 2.3L Lariat is the benchmark. That truck is not only significantly cheaper upfront, but it's also more practical with better fuel economy and a higher towing capacity.

That brings me to the performance argument. Since I already have a sports car, the Raptor's acceleration advantage doesn't justify the cost for me. Its real strength is in high-speed off-roading, something I cannot afford to do with my $65,000 truck, or even $50,000 if we're talking Lariat with tax, tag, title, and all.

So while I see how the Raptor can be the better value in the very specific scenario you've created, I believe for the majority of Lariat buyers, the TCO is undoubtedly lower on the standard, more practical model.
That’s cool.
I really don’t think I am all that far off even with the use of 4cly lariat as the comparison Truck.

Something you should know about that Lariat truck you posted as the 40k example, that dealer is getting to that number in a somewhat misleading manner.

To get that price you have to stack every possible rebate out there, assuming you can find that rare person that can qualify for every single rebate they have stacked to get the over $10k
In discounts and rebates.

Here is how that dealer arrived at that price.
Check out all the different rebates that have specific criteria for each one to qualify.

You have to trade something in or price goes up a $1000
You have to finance with Ford credit or price goes up $2000
You have to qualify for the military rebate or the price goes up $500
You need to have a Farm bureau insurance company membership or price goes up $500
Tradd assist and credit assist is listed multiple times, not sure what it takes to qualify for all those.
‘I could easily see a $5k higher price than what they have advertised.
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And still no Tremor options/trim.... guess they will bring a Mustang Tremor before the Ranger.
What a huge disappointment and I know I’m not alone. I still can’t believe 3 years into this new gen Ranger and the NA market still doesn’t get a Tremor trim (or package)!!! Personally the Tremor with the 2.7L would almost be my perfect truck. Perfect if I could also get it with a 6’ bed…. Oh, sounds like Ford rather just give market share to Toyota with this obvious void in their midsize lineup that The Tacoma TRD Off-road fills (including. 5’ & 6’ bed options).

Not sure what I’m going to do now? The RR is an awesome truck, but thirstier than I want and has reduced payload and towing. I really don’t want to have to take a brand new FX4 truck and deal with additional mods to get it to Tremor level off-road chops either. After driving nothing but Ford trucks for the last 3+ decades, I might take another look at the Tacoma? And in my mind, i was ready to order a new Ford this week! Not sure WTF the bigwigs are thinking with this truck? Maybe capacity at MAP is tapped out and they’re not interested in our money?
 
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@cc1999 fair point, that truck is discounted. The easiest way to demonstrate the difference is here:
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That is $47,255 - $2,000 bonus cash (not conditional) = $45,255
Versus $56,070 with no rebates. That's $10,815.
 
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@Fattirz in NC capacity maxed out? How? Ford is offering $9,000 bonus cash on v6 Broncos. They can't give them away!!
 

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What a huge disappointment and I know I’m not alone. I still can’t believe 3 years into this new gen Ranger and the NA market still doesn’t get a Tremor trim (or package!!! Personally the Tremor with the 2.7L would almost be my perfect truck. Perfect if I could also get it with a 6’ bed…. Oh, sounds like Ford rather just give market share to Toyota with this obvious void in their midsize lineup that The Tacoma TRD Off-road fills (including. 5’ & 6’ bed options).

Not sure what I’m going to do now? The RR is an awesome truck, but thirstier than I want and has reduced payload and towing. I really don’t want to have to take a brand new FX4 truck and deal with additional mods to get it to Tremor level off-road chops either. After driving nothing but Ford trucks for the last 3+ decades, I might take another look at the Tacoma? And in my mind, i was ready to order a new Ford this week! Not sure WTF the bigwigs are thinking with this truck? Maybe capacity at MAP is tapped out and they’re not interested in our money?
Same for me. Wish I could have ordered a Tremor with the 2.7. A Raptor is overkill for my needs and too expensive in Canada (83 000$), and an FX4 is not enough.

I was expecting too give my actual 2022 Tremor in exchange for a new one, before having to service the Fox suspension or just literally swap it for a new set. I'm already exceeding the 80 000km mark for the rebuild.

I am so disappointed as you are :(

Unless they announce it later in 2026 and be an half 2026 model?
 

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@Fattirz in NC capacity maxed out? How? Ford is offering $9,000 bonus cash on v6 Broncos. They can't gives them away!!
I don’t know.. just spit balling as to why they can’t add one more trim (Tremor) down the line at MAP? Ford is leaving money on the table and losing market share every day the Tremor isn’t available in the NA market. Doesn’t make business sense to me? Tremor is a trim on the Maverick, F-150, F-250, Expedition and now even on the Explorer. The model that makes the most sense…. Absent! 😜👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
 

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I guess I am out of touch with what the Tremor pkg actually consist of.
I always thought it was mainly shocks and stickers.
What does it have that makes it special?
 

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I guess I am out of touch with what the Tremor pkg actually consist of.
I always thought it was mainly shocks and stickers.
What does it have that makes it special?
If you search RangerStation.com, look at the site comparing the Ranger FX4 with the Tremor. Dated but informative.
 
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I guess I am out of touch with what the Tremor pkg actually consist of.
I always thought it was mainly shocks and stickers.
What does it have that makes it special?
Definitely more than just shocks and stickers…. Increased ride height (minor factory lift), wheels, more of an off-road tire, upgraded shocks, fender flares (stance is 1” wider), running boards similar to RR. Grill has additional aux lighting, additional off-road driving modes, aux switches and interior badging/stitching to rattle some off top of my head. See a couple photos of the Tremor sold in other markets..

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