Anyone wanting to lift/level a Ranger Raptor should read this!

[AlpineBike]

Because you’re obnoxiously posting about how anyone lifting their raptor is ruining the suspension and it must be for looking good in parking lots only.

Of course the manufacturer says adding modifications to their product is a bad idea. But they’re happy to do it if they get your money. So only they can profit.

Fox even told you most people won’t notice the difference. But no, it ruins everything.

Does moving the piston 1” higher really change the valving significantly? What if I haul 500 pounds in the bed? What if I carry passengers? Should I have custom shocks built for every weight configuration and suspension height I ever run? Better get a lifetime alignment plan and a bunch of extra hardware if I’m swapping shocks every time I use my truck.

Should I even start on the insistence that using a top mount spacer changes the performance? “It changes the suspension geometry!!!!!!” But having fox modify a factory shock with a perch collar doesn’t change it I guess.

But the stock height is perfect. O wait, ford lifted and added 35” tires to the factory race truck. And they change the shock valving for every course. But no, stock is perfect for everything.

Back to the pavement queen discussion. I have had my truck airborne with and without the collar lift. The only place I noticed any difference in ride is on pavement, right after installing the collars. How often is the piston just sitting at “stock ride height” while running off road?

Ok, I’m finished ranting now. If you don’t believe lifting your truck is a good idea, simply don’t do it. But insisting everyone that does is ruining their suspension is a bit much.
Ford probably doesn’t think I should tune my truck either, it will destroy the drivetrain. Unless they release a tune, then its perfectly ok.

Pipe down son…
I don’t recall saying anywhere that lifting/leveling this truck is “ruining your suspension”.

I simply stated that the shocks won’t perform how they are designed. And that is an undeniable fact.

All of these rationalizations about “only lifting it a little bit won’t affect it” are simply that. You’re own rationalizations…

Again I say, if you don’t believe me call Fox yourselves. But don’t start making statements about how you are smarter than the Fox/Ford factory off-road engineers. Cuz you ain’t and I ain’t!

And yes, I did confirm that the factory trucks that competed in the Baja and those other various races had their shocks internally reconfigured for the change in ride height!

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[Catalyst]

Pipe down son…
I don’t recall saying anywhere that lifting/leveling this truck is “ruining your suspension”.

From the What did you do to your Ranger Raptor Today thread…

Too bad the factory valving and live valve function is now ruined with that much lift…

 

[a77cj7]

Pipe down son…
I don’t recall saying anywhere that lifting/leveling this truck is “ruining your suspension”.

Great memory. Maybe you are the one who should “pipe down” if you can’t remember what you posted.
Edit: screenshot at bottom

I simply stated that the shocks won’t perform how they are designed. And that is an undeniable fact.

From an engineering standpoint, yes. It will affect the shock tuning.
From real-world use, happy to deny it. My truck did not show any perceptible changes in ride or performance with the collars added.

All of these rationalizations about “only lifting it a little bit won’t affect it” are simply that. You’re own rationalizations…

Your reading comprehension is not showing strongly here. I said nothing about the amount of lift. I did however point out that adding weight well within the rated payload will change the ride height more than the lift. So are new shocks required for each new loading of the vehicle, or do they work just fine at the different heights? This is without getting in to how the additional weight or lack there of changes the ride.

Again I say, if you don’t believe me call Fox yourselves. But don’t start making statements about how you are smarter than the Fox/Ford factory off-road engineers. Cuz you ain’t and I ain’t!

Yes, lets ask the people hoping to make money off of proprietary-only modifications if we should buy stuff from them. Plus, you admit that they told you the difference wouldn’t be noticeable to many people.
If I can spend $3000 to buy a new set of front shocks to be “correctly tuned” for my ride height, or I can spend the same money to add bump stops front and rear and limit straps front, I will not choose the imperceptibly different shocks.

And yes, I did confirm that the factory trucks that competed in the Baja and those other various races had their shocks internally reconfigured for the change in ride height!

Once again, your reading comprehension fails. I stated that not only is it changed, but it is changed depending on what course they are running. The level of tuning required for race trucks is somewhat different than that of daily drivers.

 

[AlpineBike]

Great memory. Maybe you are the one who should “pipe down” if you can’t remember what you posted.
Edit: screenshot at bottom



From an engineering standpoint, yes. It will affect the shock tuning.
From real-world use, happy to deny it. My truck did not show any perceptible changes in ride or performance with the collars added.



Your reading comprehension is not showing strongly here. I said nothing about the amount of lift. I did however point out that adding weight well within the rated payload will change the ride height more than the lift. So are new shocks required for each new loading of the vehicle, or do they work just fine at the different heights? This is without getting in to how the additional weight or lack there of changes the ride.



Yes, lets ask the people hoping to make money off of proprietary-only modifications if we should buy stuff from them. Plus, you admit that they told you the difference wouldn’t be noticeable to many people.
If I can spend $3000 to buy a new set of front shocks to be “correctly tuned” for my ride height, or I can spend the same money to add bump stops front and rear and limit straps front, I will not choose the imperceptibly different shocks.




Once again, your reading comprehension fails. I stated that not only is it changed, but it is changed depending on what course they are running. The level of tuning required for race trucks is somewhat different than that of daily drivers.

I was not responding to you directly with the rationalization comment. I was responding to the multiple other people on this thread.
I’m not here to go back and forth with you.

Your comments about adding payload are also irrelevant. Static vs dynamic changes. Are you completing hells revenge while towing your 5k lb trailer? Didn’t think so.

Also, who said anything about $3k for new front shocks? Fox charges $175 per shock for a rebuild. I’d personally much rather do that than add bump stops and limiting straps.

PS: re-read my comment in your screenshot. I said the factory performance and live valve function is ruined. Not as you stated “the shocks will be ruined”. Please work on your reading comprehension before putting words in my mouth.

 

[a77cj7]

I was not responding to you directly with the rationalization comment. I was responding to the multiple other people on this thread.
I’m not here to go back and forth with you.

Your comments about adding payload are also irrelevant. Static vs dynamic changes. Are you completing hells revenge while towing your 5k lb trailer? Didn’t think so.

Also, who said anything about $3k for new front shocks? Fox charges $175 per shock for a rebuild. I’d personally much rather do that than add bump stops and limiting straps.

PS: re-read my comment in your screenshot. I said the factory performance and live valve function is ruined. Not as you stated “the shocks will be ruined”. Please work on your reading comprehension before putting words in my mouth.

If you quote someone, you’re generally responding to them.

Did I tow a trailer on hells revenge? No. Have I run washboard gravel with significant raised cargates with 1500+ lbs of passengers and cargo? Yes. Did this change my ride height more than the lift? Yes. Did the truck handle it admirably? Yes, but bumpstops would be nice.

Sorry I dared to shorten your statement, but made it no less inaccurate. Is the factory performance ruined? No, it’s unchanged.
Is the live valve function ruined? No, it’s just running slightly out of designed center.

 

[ag02m5]

I hadn't checked back on this thread in a few. I'll sit back with some popcorn.

 

[FullSend]

Because you’re obnoxiously posting about how anyone lifting their raptor is ruining the suspension and it must be for looking good in parking lots only.

Of course the manufacturer says adding modifications to their product is a bad idea. But they’re happy to do it if they get your money. So only they can profit.

Fox even told you most people won’t notice the difference. But no, it ruins everything.

Does moving the piston 1” higher really change the valving significantly? What if I haul 500 pounds in the bed? What if I carry passengers? Should I have custom shocks built for every weight configuration and suspension height I ever run? Better get a lifetime alignment plan and a bunch of extra hardware if I’m swapping shocks every time I use my truck.

Should I even start on the insistence that using a top mount spacer changes the performance? “It changes the suspension geometry!!!!!!” But having fox modify a factory shock with a perch collar doesn’t change it I guess.

But the stock height is perfect. O wait, ford lifted and added 35” tires to the factory race truck. And they change the shock valving for every course. But no, stock is perfect for everything.

Back to the pavement queen discussion. I have had my truck airborne with and without the collar lift. The only place I noticed any difference in ride is on pavement, right after installing the collars. How often is the piston just sitting at “stock ride height” while running off road?

Ok, I’m finished ranting now. If you don’t believe lifting your truck is a good idea, simply don’t do it. But insisting everyone that does is ruining their suspension is a bit much.
Ford probably doesn’t think I should tune my truck either, it will destroy the drivetrain. Unless they release a tune, then its perfectly ok.

Amen Brother. Everyone should subscribe to the 'You do you and I'll do Me' moto.

 

[nikhsub1]

These arguments are no different than all the other raptors. On stock shocks there are only 2 ways to lift. Collar/longer springs for preload or top spacers. That’s it. Of course neither are perfect and no one said they were.

I would venture to say that the negative impact from either is extremely minimal. To an engineer though, it might be considered a big deal. To each their own.

And FYI it’s damping not dampening.

 

[JackpotRR]

wow, this tread was hard to read without getting fired up myself.......look, it's MY fricking RR and yes I just ordered and got the 2" front spacer lift delivered and it's getting installed tomorrow (or maybe Tuesday)......it'll LOOK badass driving from stoplight to stoplight here in South OC CA and it'll ride just fine as I blast past all the slow a$$ Priuses and Telsas driving in the fast lane! ..LOL

used the same company for the front level/lift on my previous 2021 Ranger Lariat Tremor and it worked just fine......

here's the link... https://fordrangerlifts.com/shop/ols/products/xn-2024-ranger-raptor-2-level-lift-eb2t-5348cc

yes I bought my RR for $2,000 OVER msrp and yes it's paid for and hell yes I'll do with it what I please!

 

[ag02m5]

wow, this tread was hard to read without getting fired up myself.......look, it's MY fricking RR and yes I just ordered and got the 2" front spacer lift delivered and it's getting installed tomorrow (or maybe Tuesday)......it'll LOOK badass driving from stoplight to stoplight here in South OC CA and it'll ride just fine as I blast past all the slow a$$ Priuses and Telsas driving in the fast lane! ..LOL

used the same company for the front level/lift on my previous 2021 Ranger Lariat Tremor and it worked just fine......

here's the link... https://fordrangerlifts.com/shop/ols/products/xn-2024-ranger-raptor-2-level-lift-eb2t-5348cc

yes I bought my RR for $2,000 OVER msrp and yes it's paid for and hell yes I'll do with it what I please!

How much for the install? I have gotten a couple quotes and they seem high for pretty basic mechanic work.

 

[JackpotRR]

How much for the install? I have gotten a couple quotes and they seem high for pretty basic mechanic work.

Honestly I don't have an exact price. I have had the same mechanic for years and he has worked on my previous 2021 Ranger Lariat Tremor and installed the LED light bar, the front level lift and all the maintenance on that truck.....and has done work on my son's 2016 Lexus IS200T.....he's a honest guy but he is a little bit on the "pricey" side but believes in doing things right the first time and I'm also that way.....but I'll let you know what he charges me.

 

[Arsenall11]

Well, I’m going to do a 1” spacer on Friday, guess my truck is @#$&@, lol!

 

[Arsenall11]

Done #$@-&&( her up now! 1” Rough Country Bronco top hat spacers, both sides took just over an hour.

 

[ag02m5]

Well, I’m going to do a 1” spacer on Friday, guess my truck is @#$&@, lol!

What kit did you get? From what I can find, the Bronco RC 1" lift requires a top hat spacer as well as a new mount for the bottom of the strut. And the strut doesn't mount the same way as the RR.

 

[Arsenall11]

That’s the one, neted just over 3/4” of top spacer, but be measurement it was a full 1” higher in the front. Didn’t want 2” and the 1 1/2 required cutting the studs and rotating the top hat.

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