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What sells you on the XLT compared to the Lariat

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Why do you *loathe* adaptive cruise?? Such an odd thing to hate so passionately... Seriously it's setting cruise control as normal but when you have idiots around you theres no need to hit the brakes to slow down. Plus when you get into stop-and-go it'll handle it for you.

Not to mention on long hauls it reduces fatigue immensely, especially if you have lane centering.

Currently driving a 2021 Explorer ST awaiting my 2024 Ranger Lariat, when shopping for my midsize truck I knew I wasn't giving up adaptive cruise... I'm a "car guy" and would love to "row my own" gears but sadly can't get many manuals anymore... But not having to constantly hit my breaks because others can't maintain a speed is amazing.
Adaptive cruise is amazing and you aren't required to use it. Really helps fatigue on long drives.

Once you've used surround cameras, you don't want to go back. Extremely handy in parking and off-road situations. Allows you to spot yourself on obstacles.

In fact, I'd agree that you don't really NEED any of it. But for a $5k difference for all those conveniences and features together is a no-brainer for me. People will spend $2-$3k for a better stereo system alone.

Okay, so here we go. In a nutshell: ACC makes everything worse.

Here's why. When you talk about the "idiots" around you, one of the biggest problems with those idiots is that they don't use cruise control at all, and whether they realize or not, they can't keep their speed constant, and this is what causes annoying fluctuations in the traffic flow. This has always been an issue, but when you have cars out there using ACC, those cars will automatically slow down and speed up along with the "idiots", often unbeknownst to the drivers using ACC, because it can be subtle.

Then, when they realize that they're going 10mph slower than they intended, they have to jump back into an open lane to resume their speed. Now this creates yet another fluctuation. The more ACC equipped cars on the road, the worse it will be. One of the benefits of "old fashioned" cruise control is that you set your speed, and it will stay at that speed until you tell it otherwise. That kind of control is what I absolutely prefer when I'm driving. I don't care if I have to use the brakes sometimes. Geezus, I'm the one driving the car, not a computer. I've never, in probably 40 years of owning cruise-equipped vehicles, and logging hundreds thousands of highway miles in them, thought to myself, "Gosh, I'm getting so fatigued using the brakes every time I come up on a slower vehicle. I wish the car would just do that for me, no matter what speed we end up doing."

Yes, it's annoying as hell when people are parked in the left lane and not overtaking other traffic. Speeding up from behind, only to get in your blind spot and stay there. Or passing you, and as soon as you follow in behind them, they slow back down. Stuff like that aggravates the hell out of me, but I want to know if it's me that's the problem, and with ACC you might not even realize it unless you monitor the speedometer constantly. In which case, why not just drive the car? If the whole idea is to relax and let the computer do the driving, why would you be paying attention to the gauges?

Real world example: I had to drive my mother's Subaru from Colorado to Michigan, and later from Michigan to Arizona. Her car has all those electronic "aides" and I hated driving it. There's no option to use a "regular" mode on the CC (If the Ranger has that option, great), so if I used CC at all, it was Adaptive. I spent more time trying to see what it was doing than I would have if I had just been using regular ol' CC. So many times, I would find myself in a line of traffic that gradually slowed down, and before I knew it I was going well under the speed limit, not even realizing it. With standard CC, I would have known, either I'm going the speed I set, or I'm not, because I hit the brakes and shut it off. I would then find a lane where I could resume my original speed, and set it again. It's really easy.

Another issue with ACC that I noticed is that the system maintains a pre-set gap to the vehicle in front of you. Guess what happens when drivers notice a gap? They gotta be in it, man! So they jump in, and what does your car do? Slow down even more. Which opens up another gap in front of you. Rinse and repeat. Pretty soon you feel like you're going backwards. With regular CC, you can close up a little to "dissuade" people from trying to jump in the gap. If you have ACC and try to do that, you'll be arguing with the brake system of your car and getting beeped at by your computer.

Also, the Subaru had "lane departure" that you can not turn off. Every time you touch a painted line, the thing beeps at you incessantly. Well guess what? I often crowd the line - on purpose! If I'm coming up on an entrance ramp and there's a truck coming onto the freeway, I'll give him as much room as I can, which usually means sticking my left side tires over the white line for the service lane. "B-BEEP! B-BEEP! B-BEEP!" All the damn time. Oh, and if you change lanes, you better use your turn signal every time, even if you're the only car in sight, otherwise "B-BEEP! B-BEEP! B-BEEP!"

Another "feature" is automatic lane-centering, where it's supposed to correct course for you if you touch a painted line. Fortunately, this one you could choose not to use. But I played around with it just to see how it worked. I suppose it's fine if you're distracted, looking at a map, or reaching for something in the back seat, and you start to drift out of your lane. At least, as long as the road is straight. If there's a curve, you might get one correction, but if you don't start steering right away, the second time it's going to cross the line at a different angle, and it's going to keep going. So rather than use these electronic aides, I like to do this old, ancient technique called, "paying attention and just driving". It's worked for me since 1979.

TLDR:

I don't like the fact that the more computerized cars get, the more they do for the driver, which means the drivers are paying less and less attention to what they're doing. How is this a good thing? These systems are NOT foolproof, and you're supposed to still pay attention, but people just don't. It's human nature.

Ever watch that show "Air Disasters"? It's astonishing how many times a plane has crashed because there was some kind of electronic glitch or failure, and the pilots never even noticed because they're just cruising around like passengers, letting the plane do all the work. And these are trained, professional pilots. If it can happen to them, you know it's going to happen all the time to regular joes driving around in semi-automated cars...
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Excellent advice. I really appreciate seeing this. One thing that might seal the deal is the upgraded audio system. Is there a big difference , if you know.
I'm not a big car audio guy, so it makes no difference to me. The stock system in my F150 XL is more than sufficient for me to listen to music.

But going by what a lot of people on the Bronco forum say, the upgraded B&O system is a waste of money, and they say you'd be way better off building your own audio system from the aftermarket. I don't know if the same will apply to the Ranger, but probably. That's all I've got on that...
 
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I'm not a big car audio guy, so it makes no difference to me. The stock system in my F150 XL is more than sufficient for me to listen to music.

But going by what a lot of people on the Bronco forum say, the upgraded B&O system is a waste of money, and they say you'd be way better off building your own audio system from the aftermarket. I don't know if the same will apply to the Ranger, but probably. That's all I've got on that...
Nope that’s exactly what I needed. Thanks for your input!
 

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Nope that’s exactly what I needed. Thanks for your input!
It's the same system that was in the 5G Ranger. It's really good and you could probably find someone with a 5G to test it yourself. I was perfectly satisfied with the sound and never felt a need to upgrade it.
 

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Over the years, I have had the Lariat and XLT. While I like much of the Lariat upgraded comforts, for me personally, the money saved on the XLT hits "the sweet spot." As for the Lariat, the leather seats look nice at first, but I end up hating them. Over time, they always seem to look wrinkled and/or crack, and get too damn hot. I don't see on the Lariat build sheet that they have AC seats (I may be wrong). The XLT high tech package is a must for some nice creature comforts (though I wish it included the push to start, but a key is fine). The heated seats and steering wheel are nice in the winter where I live. But, I can do without on the XLT as well. With the $1,000 Preorder rebate, First Responder Discount, and my saved up Rewards Program points) my XLT (with high tech package) is coming in at around $41,500. That's not bad over the above listed items I can live without on the Lariat. Ultimatlely, you will probably get 50/50 answers on why or why not to choose either one. You, and only you can decide if the extra money for the Lariat is worth it. Again, over the years, in the end, I felt it was not.

Out of curiosity.. how much did you get for the Ford Pass points, I saw some where it used to be like half a cent per point.. is that still accurate?
 

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Out of curiosity.. how much did you get for the Ford Pass points, I saw some where it used to be like half a cent per point.. is that still accurate?

Here in Canada we get 40,000 points for a new purchase.
 

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Here in Canada we get 40,000 points for a new purchase.
That's what we get down here too..but also not what I was asking.. he used the points towards the new purchase.. and I'm just trying to see what the 'exchange rate' is for that..
 

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Okay, so here we go. In a nutshell: ACC makes everything worse.

Here's why. When you talk about the "idiots" around you, one of the biggest problems with those idiots is that they don't use cruise control at all, and whether they realize or not, they can't keep their speed constant, and this is what causes annoying fluctuations in the traffic flow. This has always been an issue, but when you have cars out there using ACC, those cars will automatically slow down and speed up along with the "idiots", often unbeknownst to the drivers using ACC, because it can be subtle.

Then, when they realize that they're going 10mph slower than they intended, they have to jump back into an open lane to resume their speed. Now this creates yet another fluctuation. The more ACC equipped cars on the road, the worse it will be. One of the benefits of "old fashioned" cruise control is that you set your speed, and it will stay at that speed until you tell it otherwise. That kind of control is what I absolutely prefer when I'm driving. I don't care if I have to use the brakes sometimes. Geezus, I'm the one driving the car, not a computer. I've never, in probably 40 years of owning cruise-equipped vehicles, and logging hundreds thousands of highway miles in them, thought to myself, "Gosh, I'm getting so fatigued using the brakes every time I come up on a slower vehicle. I wish the car would just do that for me, no matter what speed we end up doing."

Yes, it's annoying as hell when people are parked in the left lane and not overtaking other traffic. Speeding up from behind, only to get in your blind spot and stay there. Or passing you, and as soon as you follow in behind them, they slow back down. Stuff like that aggravates the hell out of me, but I want to know if it's me that's the problem, and with ACC you might not even realize it unless you monitor the speedometer constantly. In which case, why not just drive the car? If the whole idea is to relax and let the computer do the driving, why would you be paying attention to the gauges?

Real world example: I had to drive my mother's Subaru from Colorado to Michigan, and later from Michigan to Arizona. Her car has all those electronic "aides" and I hated driving it. There's no option to use a "regular" mode on the CC (If the Ranger has that option, great), so if I used CC at all, it was Adaptive. I spent more time trying to see what it was doing than I would have if I had just been using regular ol' CC. So many times, I would find myself in a line of traffic that gradually slowed down, and before I knew it I was going well under the speed limit, not even realizing it. With standard CC, I would have known, either I'm going the speed I set, or I'm not, because I hit the brakes and shut it off. I would then find a lane where I could resume my original speed, and set it again. It's really easy.

Another issue with ACC that I noticed is that the system maintains a pre-set gap to the vehicle in front of you. Guess what happens when drivers notice a gap? They gotta be in it, man! So they jump in, and what does your car do? Slow down even more. Which opens up another gap in front of you. Rinse and repeat. Pretty soon you feel like you're going backwards. With regular CC, you can close up a little to "dissuade" people from trying to jump in the gap. If you have ACC and try to do that, you'll be arguing with the brake system of your car and getting beeped at by your computer.

Also, the Subaru had "lane departure" that you can not turn off. Every time you touch a painted line, the thing beeps at you incessantly. Well guess what? I often crowd the line - on purpose! If I'm coming up on an entrance ramp and there's a truck coming onto the freeway, I'll give him as much room as I can, which usually means sticking my left side tires over the white line for the service lane. "B-BEEP! B-BEEP! B-BEEP!" All the damn time. Oh, and if you change lanes, you better use your turn signal every time, even if you're the only car in sight, otherwise "B-BEEP! B-BEEP! B-BEEP!"

Another "feature" is automatic lane-centering, where it's supposed to correct course for you if you touch a painted line. Fortunately, this one you could choose not to use. But I played around with it just to see how it worked. I suppose it's fine if you're distracted, looking at a map, or reaching for something in the back seat, and you start to drift out of your lane. At least, as long as the road is straight. If there's a curve, you might get one correction, but if you don't start steering right away, the second time it's going to cross the line at a different angle, and it's going to keep going. So rather than use these electronic aides, I like to do this old, ancient technique called, "paying attention and just driving". It's worked for me since 1979.

TLDR:

I don't like the fact that the more computerized cars get, the more they do for the driver, which means the drivers are paying less and less attention to what they're doing. How is this a good thing? These systems are NOT foolproof, and you're supposed to still pay attention, but people just don't. It's human nature.

Ever watch that show "Air Disasters"? It's astonishing how many times a plane has crashed because there was some kind of electronic glitch or failure, and the pilots never even noticed because they're just cruising around like passengers, letting the plane do all the work. And these are trained, professional pilots. If it can happen to them, you know it's going to happen all the time to regular joes driving around in semi-automated cars...

I have a 90 mile daily commute in an urban area that's all highway. While it's not perfect, having ACC with lane centering has been a game changer for my sanity.

Even my wife's taken notice how I'm in a substantially better mood after getting home from work every day.

I'll never even consider another daily driver without adaptive cruise now.
 

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Not to be argumentative, because your points are valid for you, and I’m sure many others, but I also think I’m not alone when I say I literally don’t want any of the Advanced Tech on my truck. I loathe adaptive cruise control. I don’t need parking assistance. My phone’s navigation system works great, and I can live without a 360° camera.

I’ve highlighted all the things I would like to have, that you can’t get on an XLT. The rest of it is just expensive fluff (and more stuff that can break). An XLT with High package is sufficient for my needs…

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I can’t disagree with your take either, we’re just 2 totally different purchasers. Your highlights really should be on an XLT high package though I agree. Leave the decades old halogen bulbs & keyed ignition to the XL.
 

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There's some good points about the ACC. I don't see a basic cruise control on the XLT Ranger. Can you shut off some of the features on ACC. That would drive me crazy with the vehicle leaving to much of a gap and other road users cutting in front. Is perimeter or zone lighting available on the XLT and box lighting.
 
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Is see you can switch it to Normal Cruise control. I see there can be a lot of notification activated. LOL tells you if you have left your kid in the back seat. Are there different notification bell tones or just one.
 
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Good ideas given by all, but I'll take a different slant—performance!.

It is hard to find a Lariat in 2 wheel drive, at least around these parts (SE NM). Unless you use the truck for farm use, there really isn't a need for 4 wheel drive (be nice if AWD was available for some folks). As a result, you haul around 250 pounds for something you don't need 95% of the time.

Price wise, you pay a lot for owning a 2.7L TTV6. Here too, you gain another 250 or so pounds to haul around.

If you look at just performance (0 to 60, 1/4 miles, etc.), the 2.3L EcoBoost (EcoBeast!) add-ons can be had for less than 1/2 the cost of those similar items for either the 2.7 and especially the 3.0. When you get down to it, the lighter weight is a decided advantage, even if the other guy spends the cash to hop up his ride.

As it stands, sub 5 second 0 to 60, and sub 14 second quarters, is fast enough for me. And the best part, I paid a whole lot less than you'd pay for either the 2.7 or 3.0.
 

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That's what we get down here too..but also not what I was asking.. he used the points towards the new purchase.. and I'm just trying to see what the 'exchange rate' is for that..
It’s not a flat exchange rate across the board. New car purchase and service work are different for example.
 

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Good afternoon ranger fanatics!

This is my first post here. I’ve been lurking here for quite some time and could use your alls input. As a little background I currently have a beat to hell 08 f150 lariat and looking to downsize, as I work in downtown. I still need a truck for hobbies. The 2.3L would suit me fine as I don’t tow much.

I’ve been watching This truck for years now, much like many of you, and I’ve known I’m either getting the lariat or XLT. My question is for those getting the XLT compared to the lariat. Other than price point of about 5k difference, what has sold you on the lariat? I’m on the fence.
I'm 65 years old and I'm trading my 2015 Mustang Ecoboost for a Ranger Lariat. No penny pinching over creature comforts for me...especially push button start! :)
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