No SuperCab, Well Ford I'm not buying for at least another X? year(s)

[RangerDangerStranger]

Why is toyota and nissan not an option?

Toyota has no rear doors, making the space next to useless, i owned a 22 Frontier, in extended cab in the green. It's a good truck, but primitive compared to the ranger, and heavier with heavy steering i did not like. Ranger is a much much better truck. even the 5G was a better truck. owned a '20 FX2 in e-cab.

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[SubaruRaptor]

Toyota has no rear doors, making the space next to useless, i owned a 22 Frontier, in extended cab in the green. It's a good truck, but primitive compared to the ranger, and heavier with heavy steering i did not like. Ranger is a much much better truck. even the 5G was a better truck. owned a '20 FX2 in e-cab.

Pick 2 of the 3, youll never get all 3. Space / Tech / physical traits.

 

[kieefer]

Do wish Ford or GM would listen and offer a SuperCab 6-foot bed (Extended Cab for GM twins)

I was all ready to buy a 2024 to replace a '17 Colorado but just can not bring myself to live with a non-Pickup CrewCab Only 5-foot bed.

That extra foot of cargo space makes a huge difference. For example a bicycle can actually ride in the bed without removing parts. Plus smaller heavy loads can be carried in front of the rear axle.

So I've decided to start the near 100K miles big ticket services on my '17 . . . all fluids, tires, plugs, etc several thousands of dollars . . . maybe in late 2025 or 2026 I can again dream of a new truck but I'm not hopeful.

Ford or GM, I do not care, first one with a '25+ SuperCab will be getting my money. An an XLT 4x4 trim level is all I need.

Gosh, I'd even consider a 90's style/size SWB regular cab . . . . . I owed 3 between '72 and '90 . . . .

I’m with you. I need a 6’ bed. I don’t need the cab space.
To make matters worse Ford doesn’t offer the PowerBoost in the F150 without a four door cab and with a 6’ bed on that truck it is like driving a bus.
But again my only want for the PB is the fuel economy, doubt I’d use the on board generator.

Add to that, if you want a luxury truck your only option is a four door.

Ford if you’re listening, make a hybrid Ranger with the 2.3 and stick a 6’ bed on it with either the 4door cab or give me a SuperCab hybrid.
Or a SuperCab F150 in Platinum trim.

So at this point I’m keeping my 2019 and shopping elsewhere.

 

[SubaruRaptor]

I’m with you. I need a 6’ bed. I don’t need the cab space.
To make matters worse Ford doesn’t offer the PowerBoost in the F150 without a four door cab and with a 6’ bed on that truck it is like driving a bus.
But again my only want for the PB is the fuel economy, doubt I’d use the on board generator.

Add to that, if you want a luxury truck your only option is a four door.

Ford if you’re listening, make a hybrid Ranger with the 2.3 and stick a 6’ bed on it with either the 4door cab or give me a SuperCab hybrid.
Or a SuperCab F150 in Platinum trim.

So at this point I’m keeping my 2019 and shopping elsewhere.

Hybrid will come as its the current future of tech while we are in a transitionary phase. Bed length will probably not come though, due to size constraints with the platform. If it can fit on the current shared Bronco frame, sure, otherwise no.

The onboard generator stuff is pretty impressive its actually something I wish the Ranger had not that I will be doing a lot with it, but when you need it you need it.

 

[gdub]

Why is toyota and nissan not an option?

Well for me, there are many reasons that I won't get into because most are just personal choices. However, the main reason is; I am a true blue Ford man. I know they are not perfect but I trust the engineering and find when I need to work on them, it is not a new, complicated learning experience.

 

[SubaruRaptor]

Well for me, there are many reasons that I won't get into because most are just personal choices. However, the main reason is; I am a true blue Ford man. I know they are not perfect but I trust the engineering and find when I need to work on them, it is not a new, complicated learning experience.

Give it time. Electrification will stop a lot of that unfortunately. I understand the brand loyalty, but also I would say dont let it cloud your judgment, you can always slap a ford logo on another car if it makes it easier lol.

 

[gdub]

Give it time. Electrification will stop a lot of that unfortunately. I understand the brand loyalty, but also I would say dont let it cloud your judgment, you can always slap a ford logo on another car if it makes it easier lol.

I don't think electrification will affect me. I am already 77 and by the time I am ready for another vehicle after I get my next one, I should probably not be on the road. Then again by that time I may finally grow up and stop acting like a kid, as my good friend and ex-wife suggests I do.

 

[Ranger#5?]

I have owned many compact trucks since the 1970's including Chevy LUV, Datsun, Ranger single and Super cabs. Was interested in buying another back around 2018 when we bought a new F-150 from local dealer. He told me a new Ranger was coming in 2019, but it be quickly replaced by a brand new model (6 G). The 5 G was not a good fit for me and I found about Maverick even before the dealership heard of them.

Ordered 1 as a placeholder waiting on the 6G after learning all about ROW versions. I basically wanted a 2WD Scab 6' bed in XL trim optioned to FX-2 level. Got the Maverick and waited 13 months through all the delays, strike etc. to see model offerings in NA. Totally disappointed with the CC short bed and pining for an extended cab. A poster here pointed me towards Nissan King Cab and I researched them and compared specs against my Maverick and Ranger and eventually test drove a 2024 Frontier. Quickly into my test drive I knew it was exactly what I was missing in a compact truck.

Ended up buying a SV with technology + Convenience packages and it's far exceeded my expectations in every way. The naturally aspirated V6 is long on power and great MPG at the same time. Throw in the fully boxed frame and long list of features and I wouldn't trade it for anything out there. Totally trouble free after 9 months and a hell of a bargain for $37.500 OTD right before last Christmas ?

As always YMMV

 

[Ranger#5?]

Its all supply and demand... the biggest demand was and still is a full 4dr cab... its just not in Ford's best interest to build a super-cab for a small percentage...you have to remember, ford has to pay the engineers to design it, machinists to manufacture the stamping dies to stamp the sheer metal, etc etc...its just not cost effective for such a small number of trucks...

btw Toyota has a " super-cab " check then out if you want one

your argument falls short when every Ranger ROW market sells the SCab still, and multiple 2-door configs too. This is a fallacy there was no demand in USA- it was driven by the dealers telling everyone the CC was the only way to go and where the "demand" was, when the reality is CC is more profitable when all optioned up and marketed to families as a luxurious people hauler alternative to SUVs. So, they artificially limited the supply and refused to stock anything low end or standard equipped and then said "see, there's no demand for these otherwise our lots would be full of them". It's a total scam.

 

[Hootbro]

your argument falls short when every Ranger ROW market sells the SCab still, and multiple 2-door configs too. This is a fallacy there was no demand in USA- it was driven by the dealers telling everyone the CC was the only way to go and where the "demand" was, when the reality is CC is more profitable when all optioned up and marketed to families as a luxurious people hauler alternative to SUVs. So, they artificially limited the supply and refused to stock anything low end or standard equipped and then said "see, there's no demand for these otherwise our lots would be full of them". It's a total scam.

I think there is a lot of what you mentioned going on but I do not think that is all of it. Around my area unless they are a dealership that markets towards fleet sales, stripped low trim models sit and I mean they sit for many months most times. There is a zero option XL Ranger at my local dealership that has not moved since early May when they received it and even with $2500 discount, it still sits.

Every vehicle finds a butt for it eventually, but how long it sits and costing the dealership floor plan financing more every month it sits is a big factor also. Single Cabs, Extra Cabs and Manual Transmission trucks will always have "some" demand, but that has wain over the years and is not just because dealership do not stock them issue either.

Internet forums have a way of over amplifying actual marketplace desires and is not a good barometer to gauge which customers who will put their money where their mouth is when actually presented with what they claim to want. In other words, talk is cheap.

Manufacturers eventually have to draw lines somewhere and not everybody will be happy when they do.

 

[Jason B]

your argument falls short when every Ranger ROW market sells the SCab still, and multiple 2-door configs too. This is a fallacy there was no demand in USA- it was driven by the dealers telling everyone the CC was the only way to go and where the "demand" was, when the reality is CC is more profitable when all optioned up and marketed to families as a luxurious people hauler alternative to SUVs. So, they artificially limited the supply and refused to stock anything low end or standard equipped and then said "see, there's no demand for these otherwise our lots would be full of them". It's a total scam.

You'd have to look at what else is available ROW. Are they competing with full size trucks such as F150 in ROW? If not, that may be the reason other configurations, including Standard cab and Open cabs are available.

are available.

 

[MJE]

I’m the first guy who would love Ford to open another factory for T6 platforms in N.America. Pump out every configuration of Ranger available in ROW & own the midsize market the way they do the full size with the F-150 which does have that kind of configurability. I’ll take my Everest in Platinum please. After all, in addition to not countering everything Toyota & Nissan offer in the pickup space, they’re also not competing in the fixed roof off road space also dominated by Toyota with the LC & 4R.

I assume though they’ve run the numbers & every business case possible to determine that there are more profitable ways to use that capital in N.America. Even if it’s pumping out more F-150s. Or putting money into EV’s in anticipation of potential changing markets & a changing regulatory environment. Even if that’s better flushed down the toilet or used to light your cigar.

Overall it’s the tough part about being a midsize buyer in N.America. Our highways are large enough to support full sizers which offer everything on our continent. But cities are still small & tight, too small given how much open space we have to build, so there’s a minority who want a more reasonably sized package. The market I’m in, obviously studying this forum, but yes choice is significantly reduced.

 

[Ranger#5?]

Toyota has no rear doors, making the space next to useless, i owned a 22 Frontier, in extended cab in the green. It's a good truck, but primitive compared to the ranger, and heavier with heavy steering i did not like. Ranger is a much better truck. even the 5G was a better truck. owned a '20 FX2 in e-cab.

I don't know what you considered primitive on the Frontier, but for me personally and I believe a sizable share of potential buyers, want as little tech and big displays and nanny assists as possible. Also hate all the over the top styling lots of plastic and silly aggressive posturing.

A solid basic functional and reliable truck like the previous generations of Rangers before they discontinued them. 5G doesn't count as that is just an AUS market reworked design that was useless for my needs and driving experience.

That observation of "heavy" steering is because it is speed sensing so it feels like manual at low speeds like parking situations, then gets progressively more assist when underway and has much lighter touch while maintaining road feel on highways, etc. I got my driver's license in 1973 and power steering was mostly an option or in higher trims back then. I never needed power steering hated the floaty feel at all speeds. I think Nissan nailed the perfect compromise on this.

 

[Ranger#5?]

You'd have to look at what else is available ROW. Are they competing with full size trucks such as F150 in ROW? If not, that may be the reason other configurations, including Standard cab and Open cabs are available.

are available.

I was looking at ROW versions from the day I joined here, fully expecting many would also be available in USA like previous generations. My trusted local sales guy also expected the same thing. I actually did place an order early that we planned to modify later as job 2 was the logical time to expand offerings and nobody could have predicted they would only offer 1 configuration and I already had the Maverick in that configuration and it was basically useless for my needs as a retired guy with multiple vehicles for all situations and no use for a back seat or smaller bed. We have a 2018 F-150 Sport Supercab which is almost perfect for us except it is overkill for anything other than our bigger towing and larger ranch tasks. If I could have bought a midsized version of that, I never would've had any reason to look at other manufacturers.

 

[RangerDangerStranger]

I don't know what you considered primitive on the Frontier, but for me personally and I believe a sizable share of potential buyers, want as little tech and big displays and nanny assists as possible. Also hate all the over the top styling lots of plastic and silly aggressive posturing.

A solid basic functional and reliable truck like the previous generations of Rangers before they discontinued them. 5G doesn't count as that is just an AUS market reworked design that was useless for my needs and driving experience.

That observation of "heavy" steering is because it is speed sensing so it feels like manual at low speeds like parking situations, then gets progressively more assist when underway and has much lighter touch while maintaining road feel on highways, etc. I got my driver's license in 1973 and power steering was mostly an option or in higher trims back then. I never needed power steering hated the floaty feel at all speeds. I think Nissan nailed the perfect compromise on this.

why heavy, the entire front spindle is cast iron/or steel, IDK. yep, really. Also the steering is not speed sensing, it's just barely boosted to save on gas. Also, speed sensitive steering works the opposite way. If you prefer the Nissan ( I actually owned one ) there is a forum for you. Why waste time here?

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