I bailed

[easyheimer]

I’m actually back on the Pro-4X. Dealer keeps coming down some on the numbers and has my attention. If they can get me to $44k out the door I’d sign. I’ve been doing a lot of research, watching a lot of videos etc and there seems to be a lot of happy and satisfied owners with the Pro-4X. The fact that it’s also naturally aspirated is a huge plus in my mind as I’m not huge on turbo engines as they seem to not last as long and repairs are a lot more expensive. Also the tech in the RR is insane and I can only imagine if something breaks how much that will cost. I plan on getting the extended warranty but what happens after that? I always see the Raptors get traded in right after the warranty has run out which doesn’t give me faith. The P4X features and packages are just enough to make me happy and with a kid on the way I know the Raptor Ranger is going to get destroyed inside. A truck worth $20k less will be easier to stomach getting trashed around by a child.

Looked at the Tacomas but with all the features of the P4X that I’d want I’m well into the 50k mark BEFORE taxes and dealers don’t seem to move on their prices.

I’m going to continue to do research and make up my mind … eventually.

That sounds high.
I have not driven one yet or even stopped in but I have been talking with the local dealer. For a new 23 the Pro-4x with the upgraded pro 4x package with heated seats it was around 41,000 and 43,000 for a 24. I know people have got under 40,000 for a pro-4x.

I have heard that about the steering.

When I used the configurator to price all the trucks with the exact same option I have now they all were pretty close. Taco was about 500 more than Ranger. Colorado was about 1000.00 less. The Pro-4x was about 2000.00 less but because the packages to get what I wanted actually gave me stuff the others didn't like heated mirrors, heated steering wheel, light sills etc. Some useful stuff and some not so useful. But there are rebates on the Frontier for a couple grand more and the dealer seems willing to work on the price some.

Honestly I may wait, I think the whole truck market is going to drop due to competition and the market being crowded.
I also seen new Dodge prices and these truck manufacturers may have priced themselves out of the markets. You can buy luxury cars for less. I think people will now hold on to their truck longer and I think some will not buy trucks all together anymore. They may have reached a point where a chunk of the truck buyers say no more. I mean they have had a hot truck market for a while and have been gouging customers and everything eventually comes to a end.
Of coarse there will always be those handful of people that can not wait.

I mean I have bought a new truck every 3 to 4 years and I didn't this time. I do not think any of these trucks is worth the money right now. Nissan is the only one getting close with the rebates. Plus Ford is still offering to buy my truck outright for a really good chunk or I would not be considering it at all right now.

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[Xyotafella]

Looked at the Tacomas

I wouldn’t get a 3rd gen the powertrain/gearing in those are terrible. I’m on my second and I can’t wait to get out of it.

 

[easyheimer]

Well you just narrowed it down for me. Thank you!

I wouldn’t get a 3rd gen the powertrain/gearing in those are terrible. I’m on my second and I can’t wait to get out of it.

 

[shred5]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...nt-across-imagination-land-227026.html#agal_0

This looks interesting.
2025
I think the market is going to be crowded.
Also rumored again Dodge and Toyota are going to have a small or midsized coming.

 

[coldconfession13]

the way Ford is acting with scheduling. Hiding behind supply chain bs. The Colorado zr2 is looking tempting.

 

[Irontom73]

I wouldn’t get a 3rd gen the powertrain/gearing in those are terrible.

Poor choice of words... underpowered, yes. Terrible, no.

 

[Xyotafella]

Poor choice of words... underpowered, yes. Terrible, no.

Fair enough….but the powertrain is more than just underpowered. A lot of factors add up to an unpleasant experience with it. Earlier years were worse but got better around ‘20, still mediocre at best and i wouldn’t recommend the truck unless reliability is your top priority

 

[rwolfcastle]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...nt-across-imagination-land-227026.html#agal_0

This looks interesting.
2025
I think the market is going to be crowded.
Also rumored again Dodge and Toyota are going to have a small or midsized coming.

The Baja won't be a midsize. It will probably compete with the Maverick and it won't look anything like they have pictured there. Look how ugly the new WRX is and you'll get an idea of how the designers will screw this up. Also, it won't be that capable off road, something equivalent to an Outback.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

Fair enough….but the powertrain is more than just underpowered. A lot of factors add up to an unpleasant experience with it. Earlier years were worse but got better around ‘20, still mediocre at best and i wouldn’t recommend the truck unless reliability is your top priority

I agree, before I decided on a next-gen midsize i compared the current mid-sizes heavily. The only thing the tacoma wins out on was "reliability" and resale value. As far as actual numbers and reviews, it was never the best choice. If anything the 5G ranger seemed like the best bang for your buck for the outgoing models.

 

[shred5]

The Baja won't be a midsize. It will probably compete with the Maverick and it won't look anything like they have pictured there. Look how ugly the new WRX is and you'll get an idea of how the designers will screw this up. Also, it won't be that capable off road, something equivalent to an Outback.

Even if it is smaller it still will pull some people away from midsized market . Right now other than a Maverick the only game in town other than midsize.. Some may opt for another option. Yes I know Hyundai has a small truck too.. Maverick is hard to get still so some of those people maybe opting for a midsize. All I am saying is some are opting midsized because there really hard to get a smaller truck right now.

The Dodge and the Toyota are also supposed to be smaller sized too.

The truck market is getting saturated and I still think there is going to be a price war. I think prices are going to come down because prices have got insane on trucks or the whole truck market will crash. I think people will hold on to their trucks longer or will opt out of truck all together. Ford will be in trouble not selling cars. Truck market has been hot for a while and everything goes up and down.

I think some manufactures may even drop models. If I were a betting man first would probably be the Titan and next the Ranger.

Greed gets to much in a market people start to look else where.

Just my opinion.

 

[UpInTheAir]

Nissan already said the Titan is being discontinued. Think they announced it a year or two ago so probably done this year if it isn't already?

 

[rwolfcastle]

Even if it is smaller it still will pull some people away from midsized market . Right now other than a Maverick the only game in town other than midsize.. Some may opt for another option. Yes I know Hyundai has a small truck too.. Maverick is hard to get still so some of those people maybe opting for a midsize. All I am saying is some are opting midsized because there really hard to get a smaller truck right now.

The Dodge and the Toyota are also supposed to be smaller sized too.

The truck market is getting saturated and I still think there is going to be a price war. I think prices are going to come down because prices have got insane on trucks or the whole truck market will crash. I think people will hold on to their trucks longer or will opt out of truck all together. Ford will be in trouble not selling cars. Truck market has been hot for a while and everything goes up and down.

I think some manufactures may even drop models. If I were a betting man first would probably be the Titan and next the Ranger.

Greed gets to much in a market people start to look else where.

Just my opinion.

Margins on vehicles are not as much as you'd think. The higher prices are due to inflation, which is the fault of the fed printing money. I don't see that going away anytime soon. If anything, trucks will most likely continue to get more expensive.

In an inflationary economy like we currently have, NOW is the time to buy a vehicle. The longer you wait, the more it's going to cost.

Nissan already discontinued the Titan, 2024 is its last model year. As for the Ranger, there's no way Ford is going to drop it so soon. I will bet it ends up being a lot more popular than people in this forum think. It's mopping the floor in Australia right now, even against Toyota. When reviews start dropping, we'll see it's a lot more competitive than people are giving credit for.

 

[UpInTheAir]

I haven't kept up with the upside-down Toyotas. Has Toyota treated the Hilux the same way as Tacos in the states and not redesigned or really modernized them for ~15 years?

 

[shred5]

. As for the Ranger, there's no way Ford is going to drop it so soon. I will bet it ends up being a lot more popular than people in this forum think. It's mopping the floor in Australia right now, even against Toyota. When reviews start dropping, we'll see it's a lot more competitive than people are giving credit for.

Ok I should have said North America again which is what I meant.. They never dropped it totally before just North America.

 

[EFNFAST]

So, I've been driving my ZR2 for about 3,000 miles now.
Pretty happy with the truck. It's 100 hp less than the RR, but I bought a tuner that will add about 40 hp.
Chevy programmer need to take some lessons for the Ford guys. There is no headlight switch, there is a digital button that doesn't stay on long enough before it times out.
It took the dealer 1.5 hours to figure out how to turn the fog lights on.
You need to scroll thru about 4 menus to reset the trip odometer.
I think there is a way to turn on the cargo light, but I couldn't tell you how.
Other than things like that, very happy with the truck.

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