2.3 Tune now available. 322 hp / 359 tq.

[RangerDangerStranger]

2.7 with stock tune still has 10% more torque than the tuned 2.3. The 2.7 has direct and port injection, runs smoother and quieter, and does not require premium fuel. Plus there's the idea that while the cam phaser issue is not non-existent in the 2.7, it is certainly overblown when compared to the 3.5 or 3.0 and also relative to the number of 2.7's in use.

2.7 also has a belt driven oil pump emersed in hot engine oil, two turbos and the aforementioned cam phaser issue. I'll be more concerned about that belt over 100,000 miles. You got a disassemble the whole front engine to replace it 2.3 has a stout chain, driven oil pump, single turbo, simpler, and better availability on the used market. So pluses and minuses all around!

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[stormrider151]

I thought I wanted a 2.7 but have been very happy with my 2.3. And now with a performance tune it just gets better. The .4 Lt gain in the 2.7 just in my opinion doesn't justify the cost.

 

[DIYPSCM]

IMO a xlt with the 2.7 you are in f150 and lightning territory as far as cost and there’s more value in those trucks.

My fully loaded 2.7 Lariat was $50,800... can you get the same F-150 or Lightning for that?

 

[stemplar]

My fully loaded 2.7 Lariat was $50,800... can you get the same F-150 or Lightning for that?

No, you can't. I hear the comparison all the time and it's tiresome at best. Nobody looking at a loaded lariat is going to step into a bare- or less-equipped f150 just because of price. Or an older f150. Or any f150 if the whole point of buying a mid-sized truck is so you have, you know, a MID-sized truck.

 

[stemplar]

2.7 also has a belt driven oil pump emersed in hot engine oil, two turbos and the aforementioned cam phaser issue. I'll be more concerned about that belt over 100,000 miles. You got a disassemble the whole front engine to replace it 2.3 has a stout chain, driven oil pump, single turbo, simpler, and better availability on the used market. So pluses and minuses all around!

I'm glad you like your 2.3 and feel it's the right engine for you. Seriously.

I'm not worried about the belt in oil. With the vehicles I've maintained over the years I always do a major service myself around 100,000 including replacing the water pump, thermostat, hoses, etc. With my current i6 diesel it requires a fair amount of disassembly of the front end, but a day or weekend's worth of work every 100,000 to me isn't bad as long as the vehicle is reliable. I'll replace the oil pump belt every 100,000 (or more often if data indicates it's wise to do so) along with my water pump, etc. It would be interesting to see how long it would take me to do that "100,000 service" on a 2.3 vs a 2.7 but that wasn't even a consideration when I chose the engine. I read about the oil pump belt and in the 2.7 when it's brought up it's nothing more than anecdotal noise. They are not unreliable.

And I do agree that there's virtue in simplicity, but I don't see anything unnecessarily complex in the 2.7. Two turbos? Ok, but that adds to the engine's performance characteristic and smooth delivery and has proven to not be problematic. When I adjust the desmodromic valves on my old ducati, for example, I find myself cursing in Italian for it's unnecessary complexity where the only benefit is strictly academic.

 

[markal49]

No, you can't. I hear the comparison all the time and it's tiresome at best. Nobody looking at a loaded lariat is going to step into a bare- or less-equipped f150 just because of price. Or an older f150. Or any f150 if the whole point of buying a mid-sized truck is so you have, you know, a MID-sized truck.

This is the bottom line. Bigger ain't better.

 

[markal49]

What exactly are these tune packages that Ford sells? Is it just a software change?

 

[RangerDangerStranger]

I'm glad you like your 2.3 and feel it's the right engine for you. Seriously.

I'm not worried about the belt in oil. With the vehicles I've maintained over the years I always do a major service myself around 100,000 including replacing the water pump, thermostat, hoses, etc. With my current i6 diesel it requires a fair amount of disassembly of the front end, but a day or weekend's worth of work every 100,000 to me isn't bad as long as the vehicle is reliable. I'll replace the oil pump belt every 100,000 (or more often if data indicates it's wise to do so) along with my water pump, etc. It would be interesting to see how long it would take me to do that "100,000 service" on a 2.3 vs a 2.7 but that wasn't even a consideration when I chose the engine. I read about the oil pump belt and in the 2.7 when it's brought up it's nothing more than anecdotal noise. They are not unreliable.

And I do agree that there's virtue in simplicity, but I don't see anything unnecessarily complex in the 2.7 (two turbos? Ok, but that adds to the engine's performance characteristic and smooth delivery and has proven to not be problematic). When I adjust the desmodromic valves on my old ducati, for example, I find myself cursing in Italian for it's unnecessary complexity where the only benefit is strictly academic.

Well, your contention seemed to be that the 2.7L was a overwhelminly superior motor, It clearly is not. With more complexity comes more oportunity for failure. Likely it will be fine, up the 100k, but i was just watching a video where the belt had started to partially disintergrate and had clogged the oil pick-up. The only reason i can see, to go to a belt, is to save costs, and do you really want that for your engine? And it's gonna be a bit more than a weekend on that job. I'll stick with my proven 2.3L and it's nice chain driven oil pump. . Enjoy, as long as you know what your potentially getting into. Can't wait to get my Tune! ?

 

[mattmico]

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9603-REBA

Anybody buy it yet?

5 Star Tuning already has a performance tune for the 2.3.

 

[4 Banger]

My fully loaded 2.7 Lariat was $50,800... can you get the same F-150 or Lightning for that?

yes, go on Reddit under lightning subreddits. 20k off rebates

 

[dard6555]

5 Star Tuning already has a performance tune for the 2.3.

Did you call them for information? I was unable to find any 2024 parts or tunes on their site. Link?

 

[mattmico]

Did you call them for information? I was unable to find any 2024 parts or tunes on their site. Link?

No, I saw a TFL YouTube video with a 2020 Ranger that uses the same 2.3 engine. Here’s the link

 

[markal49]

The 2.7 will always make more power. But at a much higher cost. It’s 8k more than a stx 2wd. With your comparison that is using premium fuel as the 2.7 is rated with premium fuel per fords website.

*Horsepower and torque ratings based on premium fuel per SAE J1349® standard. Your results may vary.

IMO a xlt with the 2.7 you are in f150 and lightning territory as far as cost and there’s more value in those trucks.

Except that they’re oversized boats and I wouldn’t want to drive an oversized boat.

 

[4 Banger]

Except that they’re oversized boats and I wouldn’t want to drive an oversized boat.

I thought Rich people like Yatchs!

im with you, the Ranger is the biggest I’d want to go. But the performance numbers of what you get in a lightning or a powerboost is hard for me to overlook.

 

[markal49]

I thought Rich people like Yatchs!

im with you, the Ranger is the biggest I’d want to go. But the performance numbers of what you get in a lightning or a powerboost is hard for me to overlook.

I guess. If I wanted performance I’d get the Ranger Raptor and have an easier time parking. I live in dense surburbs and drive into the city a decent amount. And I chuckle when 50% of full sized trucks are parked all wrong.

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