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When I built up a loaded Lariat I was at $53K. The price difference with a Raptor was less than $6K. At that point I just went ahead and ordered the Raptor. I was able to get my dealer to knock $1000.00 off the list price because of my previous business with them. Picked up my Velocity Blue one a few weeks ago.

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I was going to wait for a 2027 but am questioning that idea now. There’s 9 or 10 2026s in town right now, thinking I need to go in December and try haggling.
 

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I think the issue is in how Americans buy cars. They see they can jump to a Raptor for "only" $5,000. They compare that to the total price and consider it small. 5 grand is a lot of money.

I skipped one of the technology packages because it was $750. $750 is a lot of money! I can bet in 10 years I won't regret it either.

I also skipped the FX4 package because I realized I can buy the skid plates I want and skip the ones I don't need for less than the package price, and I don't care about stickers.
 

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I think the issue is in how Americans buy cars. They see they can jump to a Raptor for "only" $5,000. They compare that to the total price and consider it small. 5 grand is a lot of money.

I skipped one of the technology packages because it was $750. $750 is a lot of money! I can bet in 10 years I won't regret it either.

I also skipped the FX4 package because I realized I can buy the skid plates I want and skip the ones I don't need for less than the package price, and I don't care about stickers.
As I also have 2 BMWs, an Acura and a GMC Sierra 1500 Denali Ultimate with the oldest vehicle being a 2024, I can say that $5000 is nothing.
 

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I think the issue is in how Americans buy cars. They see they can jump to a Raptor for "only" $5,000. They compare that to the total price and consider it small. 5 grand is a lot of money.

I skipped one of the technology packages because it was $750. $750 is a lot of money! I can bet in 10 years I won't regret it either.

I also skipped the FX4 package because I realized I can buy the skid plates I want and skip the ones I don't need for less than the package price, and I don't care about stickers.
I see extra money going to a car/truck, is money spent on something I like and/or need, it is money spent on myself and my wellbeing. Nicer tuck - happier driver, if I get something I like for $750 when purchasing $60k truck, of course I take it. If I did not, I would regret it every time I drive the truck.
After 1 year with RR, would I regret getting other model than RR for 5k less? Definitely :)
 

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I skipped one of the technology packages because it was $750. $750 is a lot of money! I can bet in 10 years I won't regret it either.
There's a big difference in a technology package and a different engine/suspension/full time 4WD system, etc. though.

Between XLT and Raptor there's a big enough price delta to make it a consideration but the Lariat is poorly positioned. The upside is that it only needs 87 octane but the downside is that the FX4 package doesn't offer much value and people start swapping rims/tires/suspension parts for way more money than the Raptor costs to start with.
 

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I think the issue is in how Americans buy cars. They see they can jump to a Raptor for "only" $5,000. They compare that to the total price and consider it small. 5 grand is a lot of money.
I thought $5,000-$6,000 was an awful lot of money to spend for a third less towing capacity, but that’s just me.
 

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75% of trucks are used to tow something once a year at most.

Towing and payload capacity have always struck me as odd fetishes.

For the few people who are pushing the limit on either they matter a lot and purchases should be made accordingly, for the vast majority of drivers they’re a wang measuring contest.
 

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I think the issue is in how Americans buy cars. They see they can jump to a Raptor for "only" $5,000. They compare that to the total price and consider it small. 5 grand is a lot of money.

I skipped one of the technology packages because it was $750. $750 is a lot of money! I can bet in 10 years I won't regret it either.

I also skipped the FX4 package because I realized I can buy the skid plates I want and skip the ones I don't need for less than the package price, and I don't care about stickers.
That maybe true in US but up here in Canada the price difference is closer to $30000. I have a Lariat FX4 with a few options for about $55000 a Raptor goes for $80000-85000.
 

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As I also have 2 BMWs, an Acura and a GMC Sierra 1500 Denali Ultimate with the oldest vehicle being a 2024, I can say that $5000 is nothing.
Maybe for you, not for me! 5 grand is a ton of money for us
 

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I skipped one of the technology packages because it was $750. $750 is a lot of money! I can bet in 10 years I won't regret it either.
$750 these days is two trips to the grocery store. If I can spend only $750 and get features that my family and I will love for years to come, it's money WELL spent. Particularly when it would cost many times more to add those things after the fact.

75% of trucks are used to tow something once a year at most.

Towing and payload capacity have always struck me as odd fetishes.

For the few people who are pushing the limit on either they matter a lot and purchases should be made accordingly, for the vast majority of drivers they’re a wang measuring contest.
I disagree. If a guy has zero plans to haul or tow, why is he buying a pickup truck to begin with? There are FAR better vehicles to choose in that case.

In addition, rarely does anyone buy a truck and keep it for 30 years. Every truck will end up having multiple owners. One of those owners will want to tow and haul. The auto makers have to build trucks to handle their intended purpose.
 

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I have no interest in towing/hauling with a pickup. Sometimes randomly, like once a year, I might need it.

For me it is new or relatively new truck with off-road capability and with civilized on-road manners, must have room for 2 people and a dog, hunting guns etc gear. RR with 35" m/t tires does that for me, I have not found better car/truck yet for my use.
If I want to complain, it is tad too big for driving in the forest. F-150 or anything bigger than RR is not a choice for me.

What else could do the trick... G Wagon is nowadays too SUV'ish, I used to have one Jeep Wrangler for the purpose but it is on-road manners are more like a tractor when compared to RR... same goes with Ineos. Defender could do it, perhaps Land Cruiser. Those just look and feel more like old people´s cars, not for me :p
 

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I disagree. If a guy has zero plans to haul or tow, why is he buying a pickup truck to begin with? There are FAR better vehicles to choose in that case.
"Hauling and towing" don't mean "pushing the edges of possibilities."

I put 500k miles across my (V-6!) F-150 and (non-Hemi) Ram 1500 when I was in construction. Unholy amounts of drywall, lumber, paint, tools, supplies, scaffolding, sometimes people, scrap, etc.. Plus a pontoon boat every so often. Only once did payload become a concern and then I had the supplier split the tile into two pallets.

The reality is that most trucks aren't used for towing and an even smaller percentage are used for heavy towing. The difference between a Raptor and a non-Raptor's towing capacity would actually matter to 1 of 20 potential buyers - and those buyers should look elsewhere (and most are probably not shopping mid-size anyway).

The difference in a Raptor and non-Raptor's power, on-road improvements matters to a lot more people. Plus off-road prowess... but off-road is kind of like hauling and towing in the way people convince themselves their needs are greater than reality.

Now? I don't need a truck for work - but I still want to be able to carry drywall and lumber and toolboxes and parts and the occasional electric piano and a Marshall 4x12 and etc.. Trucks are very useful even if I'm not a hotshot trucker.

In addition, rarely does anyone buy a truck and keep it for 30 years. Every truck will end up having multiple owners. One of those owners will want to tow and haul. The auto makers have to build trucks to handle their intended purpose.
What Jimbo in 2050 wants to do with my old truck has no bearing on its value today.
 
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I do not tow. I occasionally put a bike rack in the tow hitch. I do not haul all the time. I put stuff in the bed occasionally from hardware box stores and lumber yards and grocery stores. I live rural full time with rural roads all the time; some paved, some sort of paved, some never paved, and some just not meant to be paved. Truck frame and suspension matter. Everyone I know drives a truck, most are Ford 150 but many are 250 or 350. My "Lone Ranger" gets a lot of compliments, however. So yeah, there is a cred factor at the local watering hole. But to be honest, I really can't imagine not owning a truck.
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