Is the E Brake Drum inside rotor Engineered well

[Scooter]

Hello again 6G members.

May pull the trigger on a white XLT, FX4, 301a.

Ok I have the last year of the Gen 4, 2011, Its basic, 2.3L, standard, roll up windows

It has the worst E Brake shoe setup. Have to pull axles to get to them.
Its was such a bad system that I just removed the shoes and springs ect.
You could not get good shoes. Moisture would get in there. the pads would stick to braking diameter.
Clunk after sitting for a bit. You have just ripped the pads off the shoe.

I gave up to try to fix it. Put new rotors on and the setup scored my new rotors. Was going to have it serviced by Ford.
Get the air bag recall done.

So, i just removed this abomination.
Just stick the standard transmission in gear when parked, or on hill turn wheels to curb or block it if needed.


My ? is the E Brake well designed on the 6G.

Want to get a 2024 to get the bed socket that is removed for the 2025.

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[pablo94sc]

I think it's disc only. I don't think these are using drum in rotor or similar systems.

 

[stuartmunto]

It’s 4 wheel disc brakes all round on the 6th gen

 

[John E Davies]

A simple parts search would have answered your question very quickly. There are no internal drum and shoes. The system isn’t very good IMHO but at least the shoe issue isn’t there!

John Davies
Spokane WA USA

 

[hand-filer]

A simple parts search would have answered your question very quickly. There are no internal drum and shoes. but at least the shoe issue isn’t there!

John Davies
Spokane WA USA

What's wrong with the system? I haven't had any issues with it.

 

[John E Davies]

It is slow to actuate, there is no way to know how hard the pads are gripping. If they are at all, everything is done via electronics.

With a cable and shoe system you can reef up a little or a lot harder on the handle or push harder on the pedal if needed. And if your vehicle is fortunate enough to have a center console brake lever, you can do handbrake turns in the snow….

This comment isn’t a reflection on the Ford design, but my other car is an Acura RDX that require that you push the switch to engage and pull to release. The RR is the exact opposite, and we both get confused…. Same with the steering controls, both are reversed, the wipers go in opposite directions and the buttons are all located on opposite sides…. Grrr.

. Nobody ever got confused about a mechanical hand brake lever. I dislike shoe systems for their complexity and long term maintenance hassles, but when working properly they can be great.

John Davies
Spokane WA USA

 

[hand-filer]

It is slow to actuate, there is no way to know how hard the pads are gripping. If they are at all, everything is done via electronics.

With a cable and shoe system you can reef up a little or a lot harder on the handle or push harder on the pedal if needed. And if your vehicle is fortunate enough to have a center console brake lever, you can do handbrake turns in the snow….

This comment isn’t a reflection on the Ford design, but my other car is an Acura RDX that require that you push the switch to engage and pull to release. The RR is the exact opposite, and we both get confused…. Same with the steering controls, both are reversed, the wipers go in opposite directions and the buttons are all located on opposite sides…. Grrr.

. Nobody ever got confused about a mechanical hand brake lever. I dislike shoe systems for their complexity and long term maintenance hassles, but when working properly they can be great.

John Davies
Spokane WA USA

Everything seems to be going the way of electronic activation. What's next, electronic hood latching?
I once owned an RDX. A number of things about it defied common convention.

 

[stuartmunto]

It is slow to actuate, there is no way to know how hard the pads are gripping. If they are at all, everything is done via electronics.

With a cable and shoe system you can reef up a little or a lot harder on the handle or push harder on the pedal if needed. And if your vehicle is fortunate enough to have a center console brake lever, you can do handbrake turns in the snow….

This comment isn’t a reflection on the Ford design, but my other car is an Acura RDX that require that you push the switch to engage and pull to release. The RR is the exact opposite, and we both get confused…. Same with the steering controls, both are reversed, the wipers go in opposite directions and the buttons are all located on opposite sides…. Grrr.

. Nobody ever got confused about a mechanical hand brake lever. I dislike shoe systems for their complexity and long term maintenance hassles, but when working properly they can be great.

John Davies
Spokane WA USA

I’ve had 5 different cars with electric parking brakes, and they all operate the same as the Ranger (VW, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia and Ford)

In fact I would say the Ranger engages and disengages the fastest, as well as being the quietest to operate. It also definitely grips hard enough as I always put the transmission into neutral, set the park brake, release foot brake and then go into park (this is what I was always told was best practice). You can feel the parking brake grab every time

 

[hand-filer]

I’ve had 5 different cars with electric parking brakes, and they all operate the same as the Ranger (VW, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia and Ford)

In fact I would say the Ranger engages and disengages the fastest, as well as being the quietest to operate. It also definitely grips hard enough as I always put the transmission into neutral, set the park brake, release foot brake and then go into park (this is what I was always told was best practice). You can feel the parking brake grab every time

I do the same when I activate the parking brake. Just habit from years of owning vehicles with manual transmissions. We're probably in the minority though.

 

[Awirez]

I drive a lot of rentals and get how manufactures do things differently with controls, and sometimes it's not immediately intuitive.

From a memory perspective, when I'm in the Ranger, the first thing I think of is the trusty old manual hand operated parking brake. You have to pull it up to apply and vice versa to disengage. Same goes for the electronic parking brake in the Ranger, pull up on the switch to apply.

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