Looking like 10k over MSRP is going to be the standard for the Ranger Raptor at (most) dealerships

[RaptorFP]

It’s a Ranger it’s not worth a 10k mark up! I was told I had a Raptor at MSRP, when I went in to place the order I was told 10k markup. You can keep it I refuse to pay 70k for a Ranger!

Truth is no car is worth a cent over msrp. But until people stop giving into that culture and throwing money away for nothing at the dealer nothing will change. As long as they get people to pay those ridiculous fees they'll keep doing it.

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[ryslegit]

Not foolish if they voluntarily choose to pay that. If they want it that bad and it's worth it to them to have an early one, it's not foolish. It's a choice.

You're not a fool for deciding to wait because that's your choice you feel comfortable with.

It's a foolish choice, this truck is a want and not a need...no one needs a Raptor. This only feeds into dealer greed and continued practice of ADMs.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I think we need to be honest about what ADMs are, corporate price gouging. Plus, corporate price gouging is estimated to cause nearly 60% of recent inflation. I personally will never support a dealership that makes those business practices.

 

[Phraf]

I had been talking to my local dealer since June and they said it would be MSRP. Yesterday I went in to place my $500 deposit and fill out the order form. As I was I about to give them my deposit the salesman said he had great news, they were only going to charge 15k over instead of 20k. I said they had agreed to MSRP and was told the people I was talking to didn’t understand, I had been talking to the sales manager who is currently on vacation. I laughed and left. Ford dealers will never change.

 

[Bt_okst]

It's a foolish choice, this truck is a want and not a need...no one needs a Raptor. This only feeds into dealer greed and continued practice of ADMs.

Whether someone needs something or not doesn't make it foolish. We all own things we probably didn't need. Just because you think it's foolish doesn't it make it so.

Some of my friends and family bought homes bigger than they probably needed, but I don't think they're foolish for doing so. They bought what they could and wanted.

If someone wants a vehicle bad enough to pay extra it's their right. No different than a used jeep, etc maybe being worth one price to one person and another to someone else. Just because u think they over paid doesn't mean they did. And if you don't want to you don't have to. But ridiculous being critical of others.

 

[Bt_okst]

I think we need to be honest about what ADMs are, corporate price gouging. Plus, corporate price gouging is estimated to cause nearly 60% of recent inflation. I personally will never support a dealership that makes those business practices.

Then don't. But I'm sure if they were having a fire sale and taking losses for whatever reason you'd be glad to help them lose $. If you don't like it don't pay it and move on. But if someone else wants to it's their choice and they shouldn't be called foolish etc by you for doing so. That's your opinion and that's it.

 

[Bt_okst]

I had been talking to my local dealer since June and they said it would be MSRP. Yesterday I went in to place my $500 deposit and fill out the order form. As I was I about to give them my deposit the salesman said he had great news, they were only going to charge 15k over instead of 20k. I said they had agreed to MSRP and was told the people I was talking to didn’t understand, I had been talking to the sales manager who is currently on vacation. I laughed and left. Ford dealers will never change.

If they made an agreement with you they should abide by it. That's fraudulent business practice and unethical as hell. I'm sorry that happened to you.

 

[Bt_okst]

It's a foolish choice, this truck is a want and not a need...no one needs a Raptor. This only feeds into dealer greed and continued practice of ADMs.

They won't be this high when they are being produced in greater #. There is pent up demand and short supply so things are high for now.

Hell most everyone who bought a house the past few years got gouged by a ridiculous real estate mkt, but we aren't calling all of them fools or rip off artists. It is what it is. If things are higher than you want to pay, your choice is to wait and hope they go down.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Then don't. But I'm sure if they were having a fire sale and taking losses for whatever reason you'd be glad to help them lose $. If you don't like it don't pay it and move on. But if someone else wants to it's their choice and they shouldn't be called foolish etc by you for doing so. That's your opinion and that's it.

I'm not. I found a local-ish dealer willing to sell me a Raptor at MSRP. The Ford dealership 5 minutes from my house will never get my business because of ADMs.

The industry practice of ADMs in no way is helping the average consumer, but rather hurting them with rising costs and inflation. Dealership, outside of the service & parts depart are really just a middleman. No added value for the customer in the age of the internet.

 

[Bt_okst]

I'm not. I found a local-ish dealer willing to sell me a Raptor at MSRP. The Ford dealership 5 minutes from my house will never get my business because of ADMs.

The industry practice of ADMs in no way is helping the average consumer, but rather hurting them with rising costs and inflation. Dealership, outside of the service & parts depart are really just a middleman. No added value for the customer in the age of the internet.

They have to survive too and there have been plenty of lean years and are plenty of vehicles, especially used, they lose $ on.

Heck plumbers were charging $50/hr now they are /$150, houses cost $150/ sq ft now they are $300. Are all these people taking advantage of everyone too?

If they are upfront about it at first and you get to decide whether or not you want to pay their price or not it's a fair system.

If they spring this on you after agreeing to a lower price or no adm, then that's totally a different thing and they should be sanctioned by Ford and suffer vonsequences for their unethical actions.

Again if you don't like it don't buy there. But others who do and don't mind paying the mark up have that right too.

I'll never pay a mark up/adm either. But im not gonna criticize someone who does if that's what they want to do, as that's their call not mine.

 

[Wags]

Only time you pay more than MSRP is if it increases in value, house’s increase in value. Raptors do not. Let me know how much profit you will make on the Raptor you paid 10k over in 1 or 2 years.

 

[Bt_okst]

Only time you pay more than MSRP is if it increases in value, house’s increase in value. Raptors do not. Let me know how much profit you will make on the Raptor you paid 10k over in 1 or 2 years.

Who said anyone was buying a Raptor to make $. And I know plenty of people that overpaid in the real estate hot mkt and have had to sell for moves for jobs etc and lost big $. So no you're example doesn't fly.

 

[SGT Ranger]

Only time you pay more than MSRP is if it increases in value, house’s increase in value. Raptors do not. Let me know how much profit you will make on the Raptor you paid 10k over in 1 or 2 years.

Careful with that statement, based on current market trends it is very possible, especially more so if it is a true "weekend" vehicle only and you put on less than 3,000 miles a year.

Even if you owned it for 2 years then sold it for exactly what you paid for it you still come out none the worse for wear.

 

[Bt_okst]

Only time you pay more than MSRP is if it increases in value, house’s increase in value. Raptors do not. Let me know how much profit you will make on the Raptor you paid 10k over in 1 or 2 years.

And again, you're stating an opinion, not a fact.

 

[Wags]

Who said anyone was buying a Raptor to make $. And I know plenty of people that overpaid in the real estate hot mkt and have had to sell for moves for jobs etc and lost big $. So no you're example doesn't fly.

Yes it does. You pay over MSRP to make money in the long term. 99% of cars lose money so why pay more than it’s worth? Makes no sense to me. But if you have that much disposable income then go for it. It’s not my money. But we can agree to disagree.

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