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Oil Catch Can. Yes or No?

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.... If there were no need for improvement, Ford Performance would not have a need to be developing an Air-Oil Separator System similar to the one that they have for the ecoboost Mustang. .....
Is that actually something that is in the works, being developed by Ford, for a 2019 Ranger?
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"I have been communicating with Kyle Sargent at Ford Performance, and he has told me that they are indeed working on an Air/Oil Separator System for the Ranger. I am thinking that it will be very similar to the existing system available for the Mustang with the 2.3L Ecoboost engine. The Mustang system consists of both Right Hand Side and Left Hand Side units. They are a bit pricey, but they have the aforementioned Ford R&D incorporated."

"Yes, I have had several e-mail communications with Kyle Sargent of Ford Performance, that YES they were working on one. He has a post-it note at his computer reminding him to e-mail me when it is ready. I will be sure to post that information as soon as I receive it."

As I replied on Page 12 of this thread, YES - Ford Performance is indeed working on a system specific to the New Ranger.
 

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And as I said before, the Ford one will be offroad only and and probably not covered under warranty.
 

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And as I said before, the Ford one will be offroad only and and probably not covered under warranty.
Like brake pads... track pads don't work on the street and street pads really don't work on the track!
 

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Like brake pads... track pads don't work on the street and street pads really don't work on the track!
This for all the people saying I'm waiting for Ford to make one because, I don't believe it works unless Ford makes one and I don't want an aftermarket one because of the warranty. Not because it won't work for street applications. Not even close comparison to brake pads.
 

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And as I said before, the Ford one will be offroad only and and probably not covered under warranty.
Similar to any of the catch cans available...are ANY of the catch cans under warranty? If so, I'm REALLY interested in that particular can....
 

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Similar to any of the catch cans available...are ANY of the catch cans under warranty? If so, I'm REALLY interested in that particular can....
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This for all the people saying I'm waiting for Ford to make one because, I don't believe it works unless Ford makes one and I don't want an aftermarket one because of the warranty. Not because it won't work for street applications. Not even close comparison to brake pads.
The comparison does of course have merit, since Ford is ostensibly developing a catchcan for competition (track) use only.

In order to determine the viability of an additional catchcan added to the PCV, shouldn't we discuss the stock system and its development .
How does it compare to PCV systems offered with earlier EcoBoost systems or other DI Systems in general?
What is the actual impetus for the track catchcan? Is it strictly demand from the aftermarket?
Does the track application address a carbon problem or a fuel management problem under track conditions?

What are they using on the stock street version of the High Performance 2.3L Mustang?
Any problems reported with the 2.3L's predecessor, the 2.0L Ecoboost?

I am not opposed to catchcans, that's not even objectively possible without accurate answers to reasonable questions.

Some of which are...
What is the true magnitude of the problem ? (Carboned intake valves)
What are the contributing factors and what percentage is PCV vent related?
What has been done at the manufacturer's level to mitigate the problem?

Each of us has anecdotal or YouTube evidence of the problem, it even presents well logically,
but I haven't seen any real world examples.

Once a carbon problem has been determined the next step is to accurately determine its cause, and then seek a solution(s).
 
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The comparison does of course have merit, since Ford is ostensibly developing a catchcan for competition (track) use only.

In order to determine the viability of an additional catchcan added to the PCV, shouldn't we discuss the stock system and its development .
How does it compare to PCV systems offered with earlier EcoBoost systems or other DI Systems in general?
What is the actual impetus for the track catchcan? Is it strictly demand from the aftermarket?
Does the track application address a carbon problem or a fuel management problem under track conditions?

What are they using on the stock street version of the High Performance 2.3L Mustang?
Any problems reported with the 2.3L's predecessor, the 2.0L Ecoboost?

I am not opposed to catchcans, that's not even objectively possible without accurate answers to reasonable questions.

Some of which are...
What is the true magnitude of the problem ? (Carboned intake valves)
What are the contributing factors and what percentage is PCV vent related?
What has been done at the manufacturer's level to mitigate the problem?

Each of us has anecdotal or YouTube evidence of the problem, it even presents well logically,
but I haven't seen any real world examples.

Once a carbon problem has been determined the next step is to accurately determine its cause, and then seek a solution(s).
Hi Floyd,

If Ford in all its testing saw a degrading carboning issue, it would have been addressed. I am of the opinion that a catch can is a solution seeking a problem...

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired
 

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Guys -- I actually posted this question on another forum as well. I have used catch cans in the past very effectively (my son's Ram would generate about a 1/8 of a quart of chocolate milk every 1000 miles).

However, I'm wondering what the following part does differently than a catch can
Separator - Ford (K2GZ-6A785-A)

I'm new to EcoBoost engines and love this one. But am trying to understand how all the systems work together before making any modifications.

If anyone knows, could you please share? Thanks guys -- great forum!
 

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However, I'm wondering what the following part does differently than a catch can
Separator - Ford (K2GZ-6A785-A)
If anyone knows, could you please share? Thanks guys -- great forum!
That is the pcv baffle plate that contains the pcv valve inside of it. the pcv valve is a one-way valve that allows pressure in the crank case to exit (and pass through the valve and the plate) and to be returned to the intake manifold. The separator plate has a single baffle inside of it so that this air can hit it and hopefully remove some oil from that air that will be going back through your intake manifold. It is not a very effective design. Radium Engineering has a baffle plate that is much, much better, although the one on our engine has been modified, and it is smaller, so the current offering from Radium won't fit.
 

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What is the true magnitude of the problem ? (Carboned intake valves)
That is not the only problem that can occur when you have vaporized/atomized oil entering your intake along with air. Oil in the air-fuel mixture will make it more susceptible to detonation under compression. It is a major factor when LSPI occurs. My Focus ST died because of a PCV failure, and it was also stuck open and allowing quite a bit of oil to go up through the whole intake path.
 

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The factory PCV system on the the 2019 Ranger is pretty impressive. Can anybody describe the differences in PCV systems across DI engines, or between the early Ecoboost engines and the new Ranger?
I'm interested in hearing what made you come to this conclusion. The PCV system is only comprised of a baffle plate and plastic PCV valve. The baffle in the plate is only a single and small baffle. Personally, I am pretty unimpressed with it. It will definitely let oil pass through and into the intake, where it will have negative effects on the octane rating.
 

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That is not the only problem that can occur when you have vaporized/atomized oil entering your intake along with air. Oil in the air-fuel mixture will make it more susceptible to detonation under compression. It is a major factor when LSPI occurs. My Focus ST died because of a PCV failure, and it was also stuck open and allowing quite a bit of oil to go up through the whole intake path.
Thanks for the info, but you missed the context of my point...
I was referring only to the magnitude of the problem of carboned intake valves.
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