Ranger Raptor K&N Cold Air Intake being released +27HP

[Troporex101]

Just installed it last night, Sounds outstanding!!

The SB or KN? Post a sound vid!

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[TurboRanger]

China HP numbers. You probably lost a couple HP with that Hot air intake

 

[AlpineBike]

China HP numbers. You probably lost a couple HP with that Hot air intake

What leads you to believe that this intake introduces more hot air to the engine intake than the factory system?

 

[BrrRaptor]

What leads you to believe that this intake introduces more hot air to the engine intake than the factory system?

Not sure about K&N but probably the same. If you look at the data screenshot I post earlier from S&B it's only about 11% better than stock with the box lids on, but if you take the lids off it's like 45% better air intake. But that's coming from inside the engine bay now. Full of hot air.

 

[TurboRanger]

What leads you to believe that this intake introduces more hot air to the engine intake than the factory system?

It sucks air from under the hood The OEM sucks air from outside the engine compartment

 

[Greys]

Percentages can be deceiving. That .5% difference in efficiency doesn't mean it's letting in .5% more dirt, it's actually letting in twice as much dirt as the factory filter because of the differential. If the factory filter lets in 0.39 particles of dirt per 100, and the oiled filter lets in 0.89 particles of dirt per 100, that's a difference of over 2x. This is also assuming proper maintenance. As factory air filters get dirty, efficiency actually goes up as air flow goes down, and if you forget to clean and re-oil your filter, its even worse than advertised. People love them though, and I don't even know why I am bothering now that I have typed all this..

 

[Grand Nat]

Anything to back that up? I see people doing scientific tests with no data behind the impact of their results and speculation but I’ve still never seen a single real world issue with them. There are tons of people with oil filters on vehicles with hundreds of thousands of miles in them with no issues. We have a couple farm trucks with oil filters that have 300k miles and they are still going strong. My grandfather used to get them just so he didn’t have to buy new ones all the time. My last three vehicles had them, one of them was a truck I put 100k miles on, again using it on a farm, and I never had a single issue and it helped my mileage a bit. The only issue I ever had with one was when I had a WRX you’d want to clean off the MAF sensor every 10-20k miles, which took all of 30 seconds.

I am an automotive tech 35 years . I ran an OEM filter on my Monte SS and a oil fed filter my Z 28. Driving each vehicle close to equal mileage in a span over 10 years even though the Camaro was a couple of years newer with oil changes every 3K. Even with proper air filter element cleaning and re oiling the oil in the Z-28 the oil just didn't stand up as far as cleanliness was concerned compared to the Monte SS . Lesson here the oil feed filter just passes too much contaminants dirt. There are just as many reviews and articles written that verify my results. As an automotive enthusiasts like the rest of us on here I can assure you I've owned over 30 vehicles from corvettes to Porsches and I can tell you that 27 horsepower claim is quite a stretch just from an air filter replacement . There are also catalytic converter problems due to excess debris going through your intake system and exiting through your exhaust this happens over a longer period of time .These are not older farm vehicles there are MAP sensors MAF sensors O2 sensors and valves that control cam phases that can clog . A word to the wise If you happen to forget to take you oil fed filter at a Ford Dealership while in service they will void your warranty however according to a major manufacturer that produces these filters they say it won't void the warranty don't listen to that if you go into a dealer and see it they will void it. I'm glad that you had success with them but my experience is throughout my 40 years I see different results so we agree to disagree.

 

[AlpineBike]

I’d watch the hearsay if I were you. The K&N CAI most certainly does not take air from inside the engine bay!

 

[AlpineBike]

Also, I think many here are confusing an oil-fed air filter for an oiled filter element.

Two completely different animals!
I don’t know any production road car that’s been made in the last 25+ years that uses an oil-fed air filter…

 

[SubZombie]

I am an automotive tech 35 years . I ran an OEM filter on my Monte SS and a oil feed filter my Z 28. Driving each vehicle close to equal mileage in a span over 10 years even though the Camaro was a couple of years newer with oil changes every 3K. Even with proper air filter element cleaning and re oiling the oil in the Z-28 the oil just didn't stand up as far as cleanliness was concerned compared to the Monte SS . Lesson here the oil feed filter just passes too much contaminants dirt. There are just as many reviews and articles written that verify my results. As an automotive enthusiasts like the rest of us on here I can assure you I've owned over 30 vehicles from corvettes to Porsches and I can tell you that 27 horsepower claim is quite a stretch just from an air filter replacement . There are also catalytic converter problems due to excess debris going through your intake system and exiting through your exhaust this happens over a longer period of time .These are not older farm vehicles there are MAP sensors MAF sensors O2 sensors and valves that control cam phases that can clog . A word to the wise If you happen to forget to take you oil feed filter at a Ford Dealership while in service they will void your warranty however according to a major manufacturer that produces these filters they say it won't void the warranty don't listen to that if you go into a dealer and see it they will void it. I'm glad that you had success with them but my experience is throughout my 40 years I see different results so we agree to disagree.

I'm not going to argue with a lot of your points (that I respect are based on your experiences and align with your biases even though they are completely assumptive and have no actual impact on anything in reality). BUT I will say that my Mustang GT, my Toyota Tacoma, and my WRX all had oiled filters with large stickers on the outside of the airbox indicating that's what they were with do not replace warnings. All 3 had a good bit of time in the dealership specifically for warranty issues and none of them ever had any problems with the warranty. The Mustang GT specifically had the entire engine removed at a point and was put back together and they put the oiled filter right back in place. Even researching just now, that point is blatantly false. On top of that thinking about it, the WRX had a RAM Air intake installed and the entire transmission was replaced under warranty, no issue with that intake being there.

Moreover I don't even know what you're talking about with the oil feed filter comment. That's a completely different part than what we are discussing in this thread.

 

[hand-filer]

What leads you to believe that this intake introduces more hot air to the engine intake than the factory system?

The fact that the air box has a huge opening on the top and the fact that the air box resides in the engine compartment.

 

[AlpineBike]

The fact that the air box has a huge opening on the top and the fact that the air box resides in the engine compartment.

The hood closes against that genius…

 

[Grand Nat]

I'm not going to argue with a lot of your points (that I respect are based on your experiences and align with your biases even though they are completely assumptive and have no actual impact on anything in reality). BUT I will say that my Mustang GT, my Toyota Tacoma, and my WRX all had oiled filters with large stickers on the outside of the airbox indicating that's what they were with do not replace warnings. All 3 had a good bit of time in the dealership specifically for warranty issues and none of them ever had any problems with the warranty. The Mustang GT specifically had the entire engine removed at a point and was put back together and they put the oiled filter right back in place. Even researching just now, that point is blatantly false. On top of that thinking about it, the WRX had a RAM Air intake installed and the entire transmission was replaced under warranty, no issue with that intake being there.

Moreover I don't even know what you're talking about with the oil feed filter comment. That's a completely different part than what we are discussing in this thread.

I was thinking you were talking about an oil charge filter element. Oil applied on a filter unit.

 

[nikhsub1]

Percentages can be deceiving. That .5% difference in efficiency doesn't mean it's letting in .5% more dirt, it's actually letting in twice as much dirt as the factory filter because of the differential. If the factory filter lets in 0.39 particles of dirt per 100, and the oiled filter lets in 0.89 particles of dirt per 100, that's a difference of over 2x. This is also assuming proper maintenance. As factory air filters get dirty, efficiency actually goes up as air flow goes down, and if you forget to clean and re-oil your filter, its even worse than advertised. People love them though, and I don't even know why I am bothering now that I have typed all this..

I'm so glad you posted this so I didn't have to Truth is, people believe what they want, facts and figures be damned. To your point, people also don't usually understand decibel ratings either.

 

[hand-filer]

The hood closes against that genius…

It doesn't take a genius to see that the hood does not close against the opening on this particular CAI. CAI systems that seal against the hood have a compression seal around the opening.

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