Port and direct injection

[Hman]

This is the second Ford source stating both port and direct injection for the 3.0 engine. I know the engine is very similar to the Explorer ST and Bronco Raptor which are only direct injection. Maybe the engineers found a way to add both injection type.

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[Chad]

Yeah… I’m thinking this is just a typo. It’s the same engine in Braptor and ST which are DI only.
A 2nd generation 3.0 could be on the horizon but I doubt it’d debut in this vehicle.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

3.0 is DI only

 

[entersandmann]

3.0 is DI only

Because updates with new models to existing engine head architecture is impossible?

 

[goalieThreeOne]

Because updates with new models to existing engine head architecture is impossible?

A second generation Nano engine would have made big news and also would have been marketed by Ford. It’s not trivial.

 

[entersandmann]

A second generation Nano engine would have made big news and also would have been marketed by Ford. It’s not trivial.

You mean like the 4th gen coyote that shuts down half its cylinders at highway speeds? An update is not a new generation. It's adding fuel injectors to the intake runners, not redesigning the whole engine

 

[goalieThreeOne]

You mean like the 4th gen coyote that shuts down half its cylinders at highway speeds? An update is not a new generation. It's adding fuel injectors to the intake runners, not redesigning the whole engine

Yes when Ford makes a major change to an engineer like…adding an entire additional fuel injection method…they call it a new generation. When they added PI to the 3.5 and the 2.7 they called it a new generation. If it had been added, someone would have caught it. There are enough Ford people on this forum that would have confirmed it. I’m on Explorer forums too, and I would have seen it there as well. Bronco forums would have been loud about it.

What do you think is more likely, a pre-release spec typo just like the dozens of other ones we’ve seen since May or that a completely new generation of engine was missed by every forum and every publication on Earth?

 

[entersandmann]

Yes when Ford makes a major change to an engineer like…adding an entire additional fuel injection method…they call it a new generation. When they added PI to the 3.5 and the 2.7 they called it a new generation. If it had been added, someone would have caught it. There are enough Ford people on this forum that would have confirmed it. I’m on Explorer forums too, and I would have seen it there as well. Bronco forums would have been loud about it.

What do you think is more likely, a pre-release spec typo just like the dozens of other ones we’ve seen since May or that a completely new generation of engine was missed by every forum and every publication on Earth?

It makes far more sense to run the same heads between the 2.7l and 3.0l which is what they are doing here. The control packs also stay the same. 2.7l gets port and fuel, that was carried to the 3.0 for the new assembly line.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

It makes far more sense to run the same heads between the 2.7l and 3.0l which is what they are doing here. The control packs also stay the same. 2.7l gets port and fuel, that was carried to the 3.0 for the new assembly line.

Do you have anything to substantiate that other than the screenshot in this thread or are you just being hopeful?

End of the day, I don’t really have to convince you. We’ll find out together but I know what I’m putting my money on.

 

[entersandmann]

The head casting have the same part number between the nano family of engines. So it makes sense to just consolidate the manufacturing process and simply unify the head assemblies into a single part number.

Also, secondary fuel injection does not substantiate an entirely new generation of engines. It's a rather straightforward engineering change that does not require modification of the casting, because the castings are the same.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

The head casting have the same part number between the nano family of engines. So it makes sense to just consolidate the manufacturing process and simply unify the head assemblies into a single part number.

Also, secondary fuel injection does not substantiate an entirely new generation of engines. It's a rather straightforward engineering change that does not require modification of the casting, because the castings are the same.

So the fact that every time Ford has changed the injection method on any of its engines (5.0, 2.7, 3.5) they call it a new generation doesn’t mean anything to you, but “it just makes sense” is enough for you to be confident about it? Okay.

Here’s something else for you from the bronco:

 

[entersandmann]

So the fact that every time Ford has changed the injection method on any of its engines (5.0, 2.7, 3.5) they call it a new generation doesn’t mean anything to you, but “it just makes sense” is enough for you to be confident about it? Okay.

Here’s something else for you from the bronco:

Last I checked the bronco is not the ranger...

 

[goalieThreeOne]

Last I checked the bronco is not the ranger...

Ironically from an engineering standpoint, it is. Both are T6, both are made at the same facility, both have the same engine options. You think that Ford made a special engine for the lowest volume trim of the lowest volume vehicle that uses that engine? Man I wish I had your optimism.

 

[entersandmann]

Ironically from an engineering standpoint, it is. Both are T6, both are made at the same facility, both have the same engine options. You think that Ford made a special engine for the lowest volume trim of the lowest volume vehicle that uses that engine? Man I wish I had your optimism.

They run on the same line... but they are far from the same product. Likewise, the explorer ST uses direct acting mechanical buckets, which is a totally different valve actuator than the roller finger followers that the bronco and ranger raptors. Where is that generational leap...?

 

[goalieThreeOne]

They run on the same line... but they are far from the same product. Likewise, the explorer ST uses direct acting mechanical buckets, which is a totally different valve actuator than the roller finger followers that the bronco and ranger raptors. Where is that generational leap...?

I’m not a Ford engineer so I can’t tell you what counts as a new generation and what doesn’t. Other than to look at the last few years where Ford themselves call a major change to fuel system delivery a new generation with at least three different engines I’m aware of.

If you had something to back that up I’d give you some more leeway but all that’s going in your favor right now is a screen shot of a page on a website, the same page that incorrectly had the block listed as aluminum all summer. Like I said, I’d like to have your optimism. We’ll see when they ship, but I wouldn’t put money on port injection.

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