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Strangely (at least to me) a local dealer network currently has (4) Raptors in stock. I thought they were still very hard to get with long lead times and mark-ups.
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In terms ECOBOOST engines, my Edge had the 2.0, my 5G Ranger Lariat had the 2.3, and my 6G Ranger Lariat has the 2.7. I haven’t had any issues with the 2.0 or 2.3 and I like that the 2.7 has about a 9yr history of ‘refinement’.
I was going to ask: does Ford typically fix known problems relatively quickly and effectively?
 

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What I found in my Tacoma life was that owners made excuses for their truck's shortcomings. Like the 6 speed /3.5 v6 combo. The gear hunting is beyond annoying & every truck of that combo has the problem. Owners like me would say "I just lock out 6th gear & manually shift between 4th & 5th" It's fine".

Don't get me started on the rear drum brakes (thru '23). The hill assist sucks ass, the crawl control is loud & ineffective at low speed, on & on.

Owners will just say it has crawl control & leave it at that.

I had slipping converter issues, surging at idle issue. Together it made the POS undrivable at slow speeds. Dealer basically said "we have two other pieces of shit exactly like your piece of shit on our lot. Both of those pieces of ship act the same as your piece of shit so your piece of shit is within factory specs".

Speaking from 2 years & 36.6k miles in a TRD off road 4x4. CarMax has it now.
 
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Why did Ranger leave the US for several years? Did Ford ever comment about that? Thanks.
 

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Why did Ranger leave the US for several years? Did Ford ever comment about that? Thanks.
I actually was working for a Ford dealership at the time; the word from our regional management was Ranger sales were declining plus it was taking sales from F series trucks (on the Rangers that did sell). Ford is proud of their #1 position for F series and will make sure they remain that. The fuel mileage on the 2011 Ranger was the same as a half ton, so it was a easy switch. With incentives I could sell a 2011 F-150 Supercab for about $2,000 more than a Ranger, also an easy switch.
 

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I actually was working for a Ford dealership at the time; the word from our regional management was Ranger sales were declining plus it was taking sales from F series trucks (on the Rangers that did sell). Ford is proud of their #1 position for F series and will make sure they remain that. The fuel mileage on the 2011 Ranger was the same as a half ton, so it was a easy switch. With incentives I could sell a 2011 F-150 Supercab for about $2,000 more than a Ranger, also an easy switch.
It's funny you mention the F-series. The fact that Ford owns both the consumer and the commercial full-size market tells me that the reliability of their trucks simply can't be bad. Is it as good as Toyota? Likely not. But there's no way it's unworkably bad.
 

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It's funny you mention the F-series. The fact that Ford owns both the consumer and the commercial full-size market tells me that the reliability of their trucks simply can't be bad. Is it as good as Toyota? Likely not. But there's no way it's unworkably bad.
Exactly, large companies/fleets, & goverments buy off of cost to own. They aren't going to invest in 25 F series trucks if they spend $25,000 every year on maintenance on 1 truck.
 

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I've been driving a 2017 Tundra for 8 years now, and recently decided I wanted to downsize to a midsize pickup. I drove Ford trucks from 1982 through 2016 when I got the Tundra instead of a 2017 F150.

All that said I found the interior of the 2024 Ranger Lariat to be far more comfortable to me than that of a 2024 Tacoma. So all reliability concerns aside I ordered a 2025 Ranger Lariat. For what it's worth go out and sit in both vehicles to see how they feel to you. I know that doesn't answer reliability concerns, but my 1982 Bronco (15 yrs), 1997 F150 (4 yrs) and 2001 Expedition (16 yrs) all treated me well.
 
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After test driving the Tacoma, Frontier, and GM twins, the Ranger checks more boxes for me, personally. I do believe that Toyota is still king in terms of reliability. (Try to find a used sienna or RAV4). They had a few hiccups with their new drivetrain, but they are addressing the issues and will certainly get them resolved. As others have said, I would drive all of them and see which one fits your needs the best. As you might guess, if you come to a ranger forum, you’re going to find a lot of ranger supporters.
If you’re looking for recommendations, I would highly encourage you to drive the 2.7. Hands-down, it is the best engine for this vehicle. For longevity, they added port and direct fuel injection. That practically eliminates the carbon buildup issues for direct injection-only engines. I ended up with a ranger raptor, which does not have both injection systems. But I will be selling it before it reaches 100K miles (when the extended warranty expires).
Again, most of the information you’re going to find here is pro ranger, so you may want to watch the many unbiased YouTube reviews on the XLT, Laredo and Raptor.
 

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Toyota is struggling with their trucks right now, but they'll get them sorted. I think they're better at standing behind their product than other companies. I think the answer might be a 2026 Tacoma will be the most reliable mid-sized truck, right now I don't think they are. I really like the Ranger, but don't like dealing with Ford. I believe carbon build up on the valves is a maintenance issue rather than a reliability issue. They have managed to reduce it, apparently the third revision of VW's EA888 doesn't get much buildup where previous generations do. Either way its a matter of taking the intake manifold off and cleaning the valves.
 
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Am I correct in thinking that the 2.7 has port injection while the 3.0 does not?
 

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If you're concerned with reliability I think the 2.7L is a safer bet than the 3.0L. It's been around longer.
 

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If you're concerned with reliability I think the 2.7L is a safer bet than the 3.0L. It's been around longer.
The 2.7 was introduced in 2015, the 3 0 in 2017.
 
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Yeah, I didn’t think that the 2.7 and the 3.0 were all that far apart age wise.

I wonder why port fuel injection has not made its way into the 3.0 design yet.
 

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If you're getting 10mpg, you probably have a hole in your gas tank.
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I get 18.5 MPGs with mostly in town driving.
However, the small tank makes it seem like a gas hog.
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