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[TurboRanger]

I looked into a Ford Performance tuner Here in Commiefornia I can't do that for my 2026
It's the same motor

• For US & Canada Vehicles Only
• 2024 50-state approved. California C.A.R.B. EO#: D-431-12
• 2025 50-state approved. C.A.R.B. EO#: D-431-17
• 2026 for non-California vehicles only

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[Alaska_Wolf]

The ProCal changes your 5 year/60,000 warranty to 3 year/36,000 miles. I added the Ford Premiumcare warranty right away (before the 12 month/12,000 mile warranty expires) so there were no issues trying to add it later with questions about performance mods.

After talking with all three Ford Warranty departments, Ford New Car, Ford Performance, and Ford Protect Extended Service I will probably skip Procal, and maybe consider for another tune. Procal is automatically flagged and VIN locked in OASIS as soon as it is loaded, no way to prevent or stop it. Once that happens your Ford New Car 3 yr/36000 mi and 5 yr/60000 mi Powertrain warranties are automatically replaced by in OASIS with the full powertrain coverage under the Ford Performance 3 yr /60,000 mi warranty, so in essence, to my understanding, we loose 2 yrs / 24,000 miles of our Ford Powertrain warranty. Now, Ford Protect also has a disclaimer about vehicles that have "aftermarket performance modifications" installed not being covered, and Ford Performance clearly states their products are considered aftermarket items, including the Performance Tune. I think they deliberately make this confusing. So, since I plan on keeping my Ranger a long time, I think I'll just avoid Procal unless Ford will get all three warranty departments together and give us a definitive "Yay or Nay" answer. The only definitive answer I got was that the warranty of anything non-powertrain related remained unaffected by the installation of the "aftermarket performance modifications".

 

[kickingaz]

I looked into a Ford Performance tuner Here in Commiefornia I can't do that for my 2026
It's the same motor

• For US & Canada Vehicles Only
• 2024 50-state approved. California C.A.R.B. EO#: D-431-12
• 2025 50-state approved. C.A.R.B. EO#: D-431-17
• 2026 for non-California vehicles only

Just another reason to leave that state.

 

[TurboRanger]

Just another reason to leave that state.

I will what Goose tune is on my old F150 I went with MPT they said not sold to Commiefornia Butt they sold to me

 

[Idoenone1]

Last I heard, people were installing it on 2026 Raptors, but its still not CARB-approved, so it won't install in Cali or any of the states that support CARB. So slightly less than half the states have restricted it. Last I looked that was:

• New York
• New Jersey
• Massachusetts
• Oregon
• Washington
• Colorado
• Virginia
• Maryland
• Connecticut
• Rhode Island
• Maine
• Vermont
• Delaware
• Minnesota
• Nevada
• New Mexico
• Pennsylvania
• Washington D.C.

Oh, and Cali of course. Not sure if anyone else has joined lately.

MDer here, and sure mine is a 2025, but the install was so easy that even I could do it, and I did. The instruction's included in the purchase are spot on, and shame on any Ford tech who can't install it.

 

[Alaska_Wolf]

MDer here, and sure mine is a 2025, but the install was so easy that even I could do it, and I did. The instruction's included in the purchase are spot on, and shame on any Ford tech who can't install it.

They're all easy if can read the easy and clear to follow instructions. Its the ASE certified technician requirement in the written Ford Performance Warranty that says it must be installed by an ASE certified technician to keep the warranty intact.

 

[HugAFreak]

Just to close this out, I went back to the dealer this morning and they were able to apply the tune. So yeah, very much seems they didn't really know what they were doing the first time!

 

[Mike's Build Shop]

Just to make clear the warranty on the Pro-Cal, after 36/36 if Ford wants they can deny any repairs based on the aftermarket tune.
I called Ford and wanted a clear explanation, he said "it's complicated" but the bottom line is the Ford tune can be treated just like any other aftermarket tune.
The difference is, Ford will honor the warranty to 36/36 with the Ford tune, where the aftermarket tune gets zero warranty.
He did add "it's a mild tune and we have seen zero failures".
Also, this is very important! The dealer I worked at for 13 yrs, the transmission tech I know and trust, told me that when they go in to the PCM, any aftermarket tune will ONLY show the amount of key counts since the last PCM file change, but the Ford tune will actually show the Pro-Cal calibration.
So when you revert back to the stock tune before you bring it in, they can see how many times it has been started since the file change, so with that they can see that the PCM just had a file change, they apparently have some kind of guideline on how many key counts there should be at a given mileage.
I watched a Ford rep go through the service dept to several diesels, he plugged in, read the key counts and voided the powertrain warranty on all 3 trucks, they had all been towed in for coolant loss, where the tune added so much boost that picked up the heads with the TTY bolts and blew all the coolant out, when I asked "you voiding all the warranty" he said "no, just the powertrain, I can't void the emissions warranty, but I would if I could" they all failed climbing the Grapevine, a long steep hill in Southern Calif. This incident was years ago, but I doubt much has changed.

So this is how I understand it, both from the Ford Racing guy and the dealer tech, those conversations were just a few years ago when I put the Pro-Cal on my 5G Ranger. Please don't nuke me if I'm wrong

 

[Alaska_Wolf]

Just to make clear the warranty on the Pro-Cal, after 36/36 if Ford wants they can deny any repairs based on the aftermarket tune.
I called Ford and wanted a clear explanation, he said "it's complicated" but the bottom line is the Ford tune can be treated just like any other aftermarket tune.
The difference is, Ford will honor the warranty to 36/36 with the Ford tune, where the aftermarket tune gets zero warranty.
He did add "it's a mild tune and we have seen zero failures".

That's pretty much the exact answer I got just a few days ago Mike. I was actually told the the 5 yr/ 60000 mi power train warranty essentially evaporates as well, as does an ESP power train warranty if its a failure than can be tied to an aftermarket tune. With three separate warranty departments, getting a definitive answer seems pretty unlikely.

 

[landiscarrier]

Just to make clear the warranty on the Pro-Cal, after 36/36 if Ford wants they can deny any repairs based on the aftermarket tune.
I called Ford and wanted a clear explanation, he said "it's complicated" but the bottom line is the Ford tune can be treated just like any other aftermarket tune.
The difference is, Ford will honor the warranty to 36/36 with the Ford tune, where the aftermarket tune gets zero warranty.
He did add "it's a mild tune and we have seen zero failures".
Also, this is very important! The dealer I worked at for 13 yrs, the transmission tech I know and trust, told me that when they go in to the PCM, any aftermarket tune will ONLY show the amount of key counts since the last PCM file change, but the Ford tune will actually show the Pro-Cal calibration.
So when you revert back to the stock tune before you bring it in, they can see how many times it has been started since the file change, so with that they can see that the PCM just had a file change, they apparently have some kind of guideline on how many key counts there should be at a given mileage.
I watched a Ford rep go through the service dept to several diesels, he plugged in, read the key counts and voided the powertrain warranty on all 3 trucks, they had all been towed in for coolant loss, where the tune added so much boost that picked up the heads with the TTY bolts and blew all the coolant out, when I asked "you voiding all the warranty" he said "no, just the powertrain, I can't void the emissions warranty, but I would if I could" they all failed climbing the Grapevine, a long steep hill in Southern Calif. This incident was years ago, but I doubt much has changed.

So this is how I understand it, both from the Ford Racing guy and the dealer tech, those conversations were just a few years ago when I put the Pro-Cal on my 5G Ranger. Please don't nuke me if I'm wrong

Any vehicle manufacturer needs to prove that the aftermarket part was what caused the specific part failure, that’s federal law. Most reputable tuners keep their tunes safe and drivable. Where as many diesel guys tune on their own and play with boost pressures on their own. That I wouldn’t suggest. I now have a Goosetunes RR and it’s fantastic! But I did have a 19 Lariat Ranger at 114,000 miles the trans went. It was tunes since 5k and had extended warranty. Had trans rebuilt, cost me $200 deductible and no one single question about the tune that was still installed when the did the rebuild.

 

[stemplar]

Any vehicle manufacturer needs to prove that the aftermarket part was what caused the specific part failure, that’s federal law. Most reputable tuners keep their tunes safe and drivable. Where as many diesel guys tune on their own and play with boost pressures on their own. That I wouldn’t suggest. I now have a Goosetunes RR and it’s fantastic! But I did have a 19 Lariat Ranger at 114,000 miles the trans went. It was tunes since 5k and had extended warranty. Had trans rebuilt, cost me $200 deductible and no one single question about the tune that was still installed when the did the rebuild.

This might be a special case, of sorts, and not applicable to our 6th gen’s. A 2019 with known-bad cdf drums probably didn’t get much scrutiny or troubleshooting done because it was such a common failure where our 10r60’s, while not perfect, don’t have such a common flaw.

 

[Lion77]

After talking with all three Ford Warranty departments, Ford New Car, Ford Performance, and Ford Protect Extended Service I will probably skip Procal, and maybe consider for another tune. Procal is automatically flagged and VIN locked in OASIS as soon as it is loaded, no way to prevent or stop it. Once that happens your Ford New Car 3 yr/36000 mi and 5 yr/60000 mi Powertrain warranties are automatically replaced by in OASIS with the full powertrain coverage under the Ford Performance 3 yr /60,000 mi warranty, so in essence, to my understanding, we loose 2 yrs / 24,000 miles of our Ford Powertrain warranty. Now, Ford Protect also has a disclaimer about vehicles that have "aftermarket performance modifications" installed not being covered, and Ford Performance clearly states their products are considered aftermarket items, including the Performance Tune. I think they deliberately make this confusing. So, since I plan on keeping my Ranger a long time, I think I'll just avoid Procal unless Ford will get all three warranty departments together and give us a definitive "Yay or Nay" answer. The only definitive answer I got was that the warranty of anything non-powertrain related remained unaffected by the installation of the "aftermarket performance modifications".

Not true on the 60k / 5yr powertrain warranty.

1. IF a problem occurs and is caused by the Pro Cal, it is still covered by the 36k / 3yr supplemental warranty.

2. IF a problem occurs and is NOT caused by the Pro Cal (i.e., say your cam phasor goes out), it is still covered under your 60k / 5yr powertrain warranty because it has nothing to do with the Pro cal.

Also consider this, if you have an issue and the dealer starts trying to deny the warranty simply because of the Pro Cal (bearing in mind you CANNOT have other powertrain mods, so keep the intercooler, charge pipes and intake stock, give them NO excuse), you can also call up Ford Performance Warranty support line.

They will absolutely get involved because they do NOT want false information floating around the net that Ford's own performance division is blowing up their own cars. It would be devastating for their business.

Many of the factory powertrain engineers are directly involved in the Pro Cal development and testing, so they will probably explain to the dealer directly from engineering why the issue isn't related and why it should be warrantied.

Now if you add in a CAI, intercooler etc. your changing other parts, regardless of weather it was part of the cause, it's still a change. So, my advice for warranty and Pro Cal is, do the Pro Cal ONLY and then maybe an intercooler after the 60k is up because at that point it doesn't matter, you have to pay no matter what after the warranty expires.

IC's aren't going to mess with the calibration, but a CAI may very well cause lean conditions if the flow mapping is off from the CAI mfg. So for reliability when using a Pro Cal, I recommend avoiding any other engine mods except an intercooler since there is no sensor or flow mapping involved with an IC, it's just a hunk of metal and IAT, charge temps and pressure are all measured before and after the IC by the PCM, so your not changing the tuning, just keeping the air cooler which helps with turbo charger lifespand and for making max power more regularly.

Also, it is FAR more likely you'll need the warranty for something like the touch screen or the headlight than for an engine or transmission. Pro Cal has no effect on those components. So if you want the Pro Cal, I say go for it. Just be SMART about what other things you do with the truck mod-wise.

Also, no 35's, if you use 35in tires, you also void the Pro Cal powertrain warranty. I'm sure they tested it with 35's and broke axles from the combination of larger tire diameter and increased torque, so there's a reason for it!

 

[Alaska_Wolf]

Not true on the 60k / 5yr powertrain warranty.

Lion, Keep in mind we are addressing problems caused by the installation of "aftermarket performance parts" such as an aftermarket ProCal unit, NOT factory installed OEM Ford widgets. You just perfectly quoted the two points the Ford Warranty reps were trying to make.

1. IF a problem occurs and is caused by the Pro Cal, it is still covered by the 36k / 3yr supplemental Ford Performance warranty -- NOT the Ford NEW CAR warranty

2. IF a problem occurs and is NOT caused by the Pro Cal (i.e., say your cam phasor goes out), it is still covered under your 60k / 5yr powertrain warranty because it has nothing to do with the Pro cal. (True point) -- If however it IS, or they can determine it might have been, caused by Procal, you no longer have a Ford New Car powertrain warranty.

3. Ford Protect specifically, in perfect legalese, excludes "aftermarket performance mods" which includes Tunes, CAIs, suspensions mods, oversized tires, et al.

Point I'm trying to make is that I've been running Fords , and the occasional old school MOPAR, for well over 50 years and I learned (the hard and expensive way) to wait until after the 3 yr / 36000 mi new car warranty ran out to start seriously modifying everything. Modding is fun and can make your vehicle a lot more fun to drive, but do it smartly and don't expect Ford, or any other car manufacturers to warranty your choices. And before people start throwing out the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975, actually read it, the Fed left a whole lot of loopholes that do not benefit the consumer. It does not require manufacturers to provide warranties, and allows them to deny claims if they can prove that an aftermarket part caused a defect. Intentional ambiguity in the law can lead to manufacturers and dealers denying warranty coverage without clear justification. Keep in mind, there is a reason Ford, GM, and the rest own battalions of corporate lawyers, all paid on the company dime. Have fun, just be smart.

 

[Alaska_Wolf]

Any vehicle manufacturer needs to prove that the aftermarket part was what caused the specific part failure, that’s federal law. Most reputable tuners keep their tunes safe and drivable. Where as many diesel guys tune on their own and play with boost pressures on their own. That I wouldn’t suggest. I now have a Goosetunes RR and it’s fantastic! But I did have a 19 Lariat Ranger at 114,000 miles the trans went. It was tunes since 5k and had extended warranty. Had trans rebuilt, cost me $200 deductible and no one single question about the tune that was still installed when the did the rebuild.

It was probably because Ford lost so many lawsuits, and a lot of goodwill, over the 2019+ 10R80 issue. Its difficult to deny a transmission claim when everyone knew they had a very serious transmission problem. I was just surprised they weren't forced to do a mandatory recall, always suspected they cut a deal with the Fed to just fix tranny failures without question.

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