UAW kicks off talks with 'Detroit Three'

[jredecop]

Wish ford would be non union like Toyota and Tesla.

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[Raynger24]

Wish ford would be non union like Toyota and Tesla.

I have my opinion on that as well, but the fact is they are and that is not changing for the ICE vehicles. However, that is apparently THE BIG issue regarding the current "big three" and UAW talks, as the E.V. portions (like Tesla as an example) are not. It will be interesting ("interesting" being an understatement of the year) to see how it shakes out for us now, and the future. It really is big stuff if one thinks about it.

 

[KevR]

For me, this is just the worst timing possible as I've never wanted a vehicle more than I want this RR.

 

[pyates999]

For me, this is just the worst timing possible as I've never wanted a vehicle more than I want this RR.

I’m driving a 2004 F150 FX4 that I bought new, I liked that truck then & I still like it. The RR is the first vehicle in many years that has made me feel like you do & I know exactly what you mean when you say worst timing possible!!

 

[Wags]

UPS made a deal, hopefully Ford can also

 

[Raynger24]

UPS made a deal, hopefully Ford can also

If UPS can, than ANYTHING is possible! Lol

 

[Raynger24]

The latest as of 5:35pm 07/31/23

United Auto Workers are at a standstill in negotiations with the Big Three automakers, and UPS has narrowly avoided a Teamsters strike, for now.

As negotiations between major unions and employers stall, a potential strike could have far-reaching consequences. To help you understand what is going on and what we expect to happen in the future, our highly-experienced Kiplinger Letter team will keep you abreast of the latest developments and forecasts YHere’s the latest.

Keep an eye on these labor disputes with big potential ramifications.

First, union United Auto Workers (UAW) is taking a more aggressive approach to contract negotiations with the Big Three automakers under President Shawn Fain than in previous years. Talks began earlier this month with the goal of reaching a deal before the current one with Ford, GM and Chrysler parent Stellantis expires in September.

Among the union’s demands: increasing wages, ending tiered structures for wages and benefits and reinstating annual cost-of-living adjustments for workers. More important is how the union aims to achieve them.

Under Fain, UAW, which represents 150,000 hourly workers at the Big Three automakers, has refused to name a single automaker on which to initially focus negotiations. Instead, the union has hinted at taking on Ford, GM and Stellantis simultaneously. UAW also says it’s not afraid of a prolonged fight, with $825 million in its strike fund.

 

[ssjx7squall]

The latest as of 5:35pm 07/31/23

United Auto Workers are at a standstill in negotiations with the Big Three automakers, and UPS has narrowly avoided a Teamsters strike, for now.

As negotiations between major unions and employers stall, a potential strike could have far-reaching consequences. To help you understand what is going on and what we expect to happen in the future, our highly-experienced Kiplinger Letter team will keep you abreast of the latest developments and forecasts YHere’s the latest.

Keep an eye on these labor disputes with big potential ramifications.

First, union United Auto Workers (UAW) is taking a more aggressive approach to contract negotiations with the Big Three automakers under President Shawn Fain than in previous years. Talks began earlier this month with the goal of reaching a deal before the current one with Ford, GM and Chrysler parent Stellantis expires in September.

Among the union’s demands: increasing wages, ending tiered structures for wages and benefits and reinstating annual cost-of-living adjustments for workers. More important is how the union aims to achieve them.

Under Fain, UAW, which represents 150,000 hourly workers at the Big Three automakers, has refused to name a single automaker on which to initially focus negotiations. Instead, the union has hinted at taking on Ford, GM and Stellantis simultaneously. UAW also says it’s not afraid of a prolonged fight, with $825 million in its strike fund.

Well, everyone here knows my opinion on unions (including mods). If it happens it happens. Thankfully I am not in dire need of a new vehicle and can limp along a little longer if necessary.

 

[LuckyMonkey7]

Under Fain, UAW, which represents 150,000 hourly workers at the Big Three automakers, has refused to name a single automaker on which to initially focus negotiations. Instead, the union has hinted at taking on Ford, GM and Stellantis simultaneously. UAW also says it’s not afraid of a prolonged fight, with $825 million in its strike fund.

This is funny, because thats $5500 per. How long will that sustain the people they are extorting and claiming to represent? A month? Two?

 

[fordtrks4ever]

At $64.00 per hr. About 86 hrs. of missed work.

As my UEW union, Father once said. "No one wins when there is a strike"

 

[pyates999]

This is funny, because thats $5500 per. How long will that sustain the people they are extorting and claiming to represent? A month? Two?

That won’t last long at all……the fund or strike either one!!

 

[ThickGatorade]

Ford has been piloting automation for years. Covid boosted the idea that they can eliminate headcount and physical overhead while retaining profitability. Their assembly plant in Thailand just went to 80% or so automated production. I’ve personally witnessed the toxicity internalized with unions. Manufacturing will sooner rather than later be autonomous for many reasons but human factors will be the biggest.

 

[LuckyMonkey7]

Automation will be the future of vehicle production. Hopefully that could mean a greater level of customization possible from the factory since it is not relying on unskilled labor.

edit: background, I've been rabidly anti-union since I was threatened by some representative of one shortly after starting a job while in college. Many choice words were exchanged and the actions that would happen in retaliation to the person following through with their threats was made very clear. The union abandoned their bid to try to "represent" the people at my location shortly after.

 

[Raynger24]

ThickGatorade, and LuckyMonkey7's above posts are logically, factually, and realistically most likely the future for many industries whether emotionally or otherwise we like it or not.

I really just post as neutral as I can find updates to get us prepared and keep us informed that a UAW strike is very possible, and sadly for all (workers, companies, and us customers), a dissapoinment that a who knows how much longer wait to get our trucks is not certain, but certainly possible (and very importantly the implications to the U.S. economy and auto industry). From the articles I've read, while wages are always an issue, it's the transistion and large elimination of ICE vehicles to E.V. and the less number of workers needed to build E.V. in the years to come that the UAW has it eyes on. The automakers to stay competitive, and production wise, as I wrote above, don't need all the current workers necessary for ICE production. We all hate to see people lose their jobs. However, with automation, that's not politics, those are facts across the industry board.

I'm not the politics or politeness police, but let's not forget decorum and the forum rules so as not to get the mods pissed off here.

Again, I simply posted the topic to keep us informed on the possible build situation.

 

[yoopercharged]

Automation will be the future of vehicle production. Hopefully that could mean a greater level of customization possible from the factory since it is not relying on unskilled labor.

Hate to burst your bubble, but it's more likely going to be the opposite. Robots are good for repeating a single, identical task over and over without error. When you introduce variety (i.e. customization) into the equation, humans are much better at performing the different operations that each configuration requires.

Look at Tesla for example. Their plants are highly automated and their vehicles have very few options available for customization. I think it's safe to expect the same from other manufacturers as full automation becomes more prevalent. Just my two cents.

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