ASS IS NO MORE!!!!! EPA rules deregulation

[Lion77]

Id like to see the government study showing how the added blow by caused by accelerated ring wear from constantly dropping in and out of elastohydrodynamoc lubrication regimes from auto start / stop cycles affects carbon output of an ICE relative to an engine that isnt running like ASS over 100k, 150k and 200k miles....oh wait they never did so this whole thing might be an EPA boondoggle where the solution is worse than the alleged problem...cause that never happens, bawhahahaha!

But hey, we couldnt just focus in planting more trees / vegitation, its not like it synthesize CO2 or anything like that.......and let's ignore the fact that China produces 3x the CO2 of the US...cause that has zero effect and apprently our CO2 is all that matters....and let's also ignore the massive body of conflicting evidence that suggests the whole global warming thing has nothing to do with CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere the heating / cooling cycles over hundreds of years might just be defined almost entirely by natural cycles relative to that giant ball of gas in space thats 100,000 times the size of the earth....but what do we all know eh? Follow the science they say....until its inconvenient to the agenda.

Mazda did a study on driving habits and conditions across the US and found that ASS was of no benefit because the majority of drivers dont stay in traffic long enough to merit shutting down the engine due to the added fuel and wear incurred to start it back up. It was better to leave it running unless for long durations (several minutes or more).

So they resisted ASS as much as possible. My 2023 3 carbon doesnt have it, neither does my wife's 2026 CX-50, but my pops 2024 CX-90 and our 24' RR does.

Yah, the EPA can go take one up the ASS on this one.

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[ryanO]

Id like to see the government study showing how the added blow by caused by accelerated ring wear from constantly dropping in and out of elastohyddodynamoc lubrication regimes affects carbon output of an ICE relative to an engine that isnt running like ASS over 100k, 150k and 200k miles....oh wait they never did so this whole thing might be an EPA boondoggle where the solution is worse than the alleged problem...cause that never happens, bawhahahaha! But hey, we couldnt just focus in planting more trees / vegitation, its not like it synthesize CO2 or anything like that.......and let's ignore the fact that China produces 3x the CO2 of the US...cause that has zero effect and apprently our CO2 is all that matters....and let's also ignore the massive body of conflicting evidence that suggests the whole global warming thing has nothing to do with CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere the heating / cooling cycles over hundreds of years might just be defined almost entirely by natural cycles relative to that giant ball of gas in space thats 100,000 times the size of the earth....but what do we all know eh? Follow the science they say....until its inconvenient to the agenda.

Yah, the EPA can go take one up the ASS on this one.

Anyone with half a brain gets your point. But, that doesn't matter and getting worked up over it does more harm to you than anything.
The EPA, like most government, is just a money grab.

 

[cc1999]

Might be eliminated in new vehicles in a couple years as we all know how fast everything works. Snail's pace
As for vehicles built for 2026 and previous ones not gonna happen.

True, I would say best thing we could hope for on current and past production models with ASS is that MFG turn off the automatic reset to on after every restart. That programming would not need to remain in place. Meaning push the button if you want it off and it stays off, just like how my eliminators work to eliminate that programming to turn it back on every power cycle.

It’s probably 2028 before the feature fully disappears from the vehicles. Maybe some sooner some later, but the programming that automatically turns it back on could or should easily be changed.

 

[ryanO]

True, I would say best thing we could hope for on current and past production models with ASS is that MFG turn off the automatic reset to on after every restart. That programming would not need to remain in place. Meaning push the button if you want it off and it stays off, just like how my eliminators work to eliminate that programming to turn it back on every power cycle.

It’s probably 2028 before the feature fully disappears from the vehicles. Maybe some sooner some later, but the programming that automatically turns it back on could or should easily be changed.

Its not worth their time and effort to do so. It's just no longer a requirement, not a law against it. BTW, as soon as the liberal next president is elected, they'll undo this and it'll again be back. Makes no sense for manufacturers to spend even 5 minutes worrying about this.

 

[superj]

yup. thats the problem with the president and political parties being in this stuff. every 4 years it can be changed

 

[PF145]

Probably not. Just spend the $100 and get an eliminator. It's not that hard.....

Talked to the dealership-- they said,don't hold your breath

 

[purdyd]

Its not worth their time and effort to do so. It's just no longer a requirement, not a law against it. BTW, as soon as the liberal next president is elected, they'll undo this and it'll again be back. Makes no sense for manufacturers to spend even 5 minutes worrying about this.

maybe, maybe not, sometimes things quietly continue under the next administration, like China tariffs continued under Biden

interesting that vented seats also received and credit and that seems like something people want

Wonder if the other credits for off cycle technology will be discontinued?

 

[Offsidewing]

I live in the Houston area which is one of rhe worst traffic areas in the country, if pulling into traffic is an issue, you should be in Sport mode which turns off ASS. I'm not saying I love ASS (HAHA), but that is not a reasonable argument/reason.

I'd rather drive in Rio or Riyadh than Houston.

 

[Jason B]

I seriously doubt any manufacturer is going to retro eliminate ASS on existing vehicles. There's no incentive for them to do so. And if memory serves me well (it doesn't) if it can't be turned off in FORSCAN, probably Ford can't do it either by OTA updates.

 

[Ron Quixote]

I'd rather drive in Rio or Riyadh than Houston.

I have driven in both Rio and Houston. I can confirm that Rio was better (although the hordes of buzzing mopeds took some getting used to).

 

[purdyd]

I seriously doubt any manufacturer is going to retro eliminate ASS on existing vehicles. There's no incentive for them to do so. And if memory serves me well (it doesn't) if it can't be turned off in FORSCAN, probably Ford can't do it either by OTA updates.

i think? It is in Forscan but it produces errors if disabled?

i think I agree with you first statement.

on the other hand maybe as a publicity move it could be sent ota.

 

[cc1999]

Its not worth their time and effort to do so. It's just no longer a requirement, not a law against it. BTW, as soon as the liberal next president is elected, they'll undo this and it'll again be back. Makes no sense for manufacturers to spend even 5 minutes worrying about this.

Could be, but soon as a competitor does it, they will all likely start to change.

Not that they can't change back.

If they can save few bucks here and there not having to have something on the vehicle, I think they may be inclined to do so.

I see them cut all sorts of stuff to improve their bottom lines and or to occasionally discount a price here and there, whenever the market demands it.

I plan to keep buying the $99 eliminators and moving on.
I am hopeful they just drop it since they can.

As others have mentioned it not exactly healthy for the mechanics of the vehicle and that tends to cost the manufactures on warranty and reliability reputation side of things.

 

[Gplassm]

I am just praying for the return of the RZ350…..

 

[Switzguy]

I spent the $100 on the ASS eliminator and never looked back.

 

[got3fords]

Probably not. Just spend the $100 and get an eliminator. It's not that hard.....

$100? I just took an old useless phone charger, cut the cord off, and plugged it into the AC outlet in the truck. Instant and free ASS eliminator.

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