TVRangerSTX
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That's pretty telling, when the lack of Ranger availability is what's needed to make a Tacoma look better!Everyday that passes, the Tacoma is becoming more and more of a reality.




That's pretty telling, when the lack of Ranger availability is what's needed to make a Tacoma look better!Everyday that passes, the Tacoma is becoming more and more of a reality.
At the end of the day, it comes down to, which manufacturer can get a truck in customers hands. I've never owned a Ford before, and my first experience with the brand so far, has been less than ideal. I understand, pandemic, strike, supply chain etc, etc, but customers don't care about excuses. If Toyota has a decent product out that checks most of my boxes, I'm moving on. I've been more than patient with Ford. I am giving them Q1 to schedule my build.That's pretty telling, when the lack of Ranger availability is what's needed to make a Tacoma look better!![]()
I have never owned a Ford before either or waited this long to get a build date. I typically go between BMW and Audi and see you have a RS3 and I also have an 2019 RS3. Probably going to sell the RS3 when the Ranger Raptor I ordered comes because I also have a 21 BMW M3. But I will miss the RS3 for sure but don't need 2 fast sedans.At the end of the day, it comes down to, which manufacturer can get a truck in customers hands. I've never owned a Ford before, and my first experience with the brand so far, has been less than ideal. I understand, pandemic, strike, supply chain etc, etc, but customers don't care about excuses. If Toyota has a decent product out that checks most of my boxes, I'm moving on. I've been more than patient with Ford. I am giving them Q1 to schedule my build.
Yeah the RS3 was awesome. But it was such an uncomfortable daily driver. And the carbon ceramic breaks were so loud. But I basically drove it for 3 years for almost free since I was able to sell it during peak pandemic prices for nearly what I paid for it.I have never owned a Ford before either or waited this long to get a build date. I typically go between BMW and Audi and see you have a RS3 and I also have an 2019 RS3. Probably going to sell the RS3 when the Ranger Raptor I ordered comes because I also have a 21 BMW M3. But I will miss the RS3 for sure but don't need 2 fast sedans.
You will probably like Ford, I love them so much I have more than any other car brand. I have several raptors, super duty diesels, and mustangs. Can't say I've had many problems with any of them, but I work on my own cars, so I can't speak for more normal people. I will say I hate my 2018 Audi A4, I had to replace the started on it, and it was the biggest pain in the rear, probably harder than putting a whipple on a coyote lol. I'm a patient man, so waiting for my RR isn't an issue, but I can see how people would get frustrated at these huge companies that can't seem to get their crap together.At the end of the day, it comes down to, which manufacturer can get a truck in customers hands. I've never owned a Ford before, and my first experience with the brand so far, has been less than ideal. I understand, pandemic, strike, supply chain etc, etc, but customers don't care about excuses. If Toyota has a decent product out that checks most of my boxes, I'm moving on. I've been more than patient with Ford. I am giving them Q1 to schedule my build.
The union’s negotiating goals were based upon market rate studies. They establish their wage targets based upon the labor market (mostly non-union employees). You’re trying to claim that unions got everyone a raise, but the same could be said for the non-union employees who were making more than the union employees prior to the new contract. Those non-union employees set the market rate (used by the unions during negotiations) by freely moving between employers for better pay while gaining additional skills in the process.It's funny people trash the unions when those wage hikes at non union factories are a direct result of the unions...
Except they did. I could keep on with this old argument here, but quite frankly no one here is capable of it and im tired of mods yelling at me for calling people dumb.The union’s negotiating goals were based upon market rate studies. They establish their wage targets based upon the labor market (mostly non-union employees). You’re trying to claim that unions got everyone a raise, but the same could be said for the non-union employees who were making more than the union employees prior to the new contract. Those non-union employees set the market rate (used by the unions during negotiations) by freely moving between employers for better pay while gaining additional skills in the process.
We are all frustrated with the delay in Ranger availability but I don't see the 2024 Tacomas being available anytime soon either. Don't believe that Toyota has announced a definite release date and last I saw was that it may be available on the dealer lots by spring 2024.That's pretty telling, when the lack of Ranger availability is what's needed to make a Tacoma look better!![]()
The 2.4T engines will hit the lots in December while the hybrids will not be until After April.We are all frustrated with the delay in Ranger availability but I don't see the 2024 Tacomas being available anytime soon either. Don't believe that Toyota has announced a definite release date and last I saw was that it may be available on the dealer lots by spring 2024.
Go for it! Will only speed up delivery my order of a New Ranger!Everyday that passes, the Tacoma is becoming more and more of a reality.
Not sure how it will speed up your order since mine hasn't been scheduled yet, and I am not plan on cancelling my order even if I get a Tacoma.Go for it! Will only speed up delivery my order of a New Ranger!
The sad part is there are delays and frustration with Toyota as well. Even when trucks are actually showing up at dealer lots, many may already be spoken for and Toyota is not taking customer special orders like Ford still does. Found the same thing with Nissan. I had to resort to scouring multiple dealers "in transit" inventory and find a dealer reasonably close willing to claim it for me and do dealer trade to get. He's getting my deposit Saturday to start process. Another unfortunate thing about waiting is the price creep. When Ford finally announced 6G Ranger production timeline and I saw no SCab or 6' bed I casually started shopping Frontier. 2022 models actually included destination charges in the MSRP. Then they separated it for 2023 and added option packages I don't want straight from the factory. They now bump destination charges 2x annually and keep adding more Nanny tech packages I don't want but have to accept just to get the basic truck I wanted. Waiting on Ford probably cost me extra $6k by now.At the end of the day, it comes down to, which manufacturer can get a truck in customers hands. I've never owned a Ford before, and my first experience with the brand so far, has been less than ideal. I understand, pandemic, strike, supply chain etc, etc, but customers don't care about excuses. If Toyota has a decent product out that checks most of my boxes, I'm moving on. I've been more than patient with Ford. I am giving them Q1 to schedule my build.
How bout this F150 R markup...+$50k....With the '24 Taco delay, dealers have now ramped up the sticker price ..lol. I was at a Toyota dealer this past weekend with my inlaw who wants to trade in his old tundra for the new one and I spoke with the salesman on the '23 Taco. He openly said they have high demand right now so asking $2k-$5 over sticker price for all '23 Tacoma models..even the base SR......and people are buying it!.
I'm expecting the new gen Taco to totally be sold over MSRP and people paying over $50k for a mid size truck.
How bout this F150 R markup...+$50k....
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