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[Wayfaring Ranger]

So I managed to get my Ford Rep through the dealer to request more information. I guess the Rep escalated the question and a supervisor called me. A decent amount of the first 500ish were on QC hold. Now the issue is with Union Pacific, anyone with RH80 as their rail code still hasn’t shipped and it’s because of Union Pacific. The carrier has received the vehicles, not sure what’s going on now as they can’t get my UP updates. Maybe wouldn’t say can’t, but more or less won’t.

This would make sense.

I think there's varying ideas of what "QC hold" means to various people on the forum. The QC hold you mention sounds valid, the first trucks built go through more stringent testing to be sure they are good to go. This probably was the main reason things didn't ship till March, just making sure there's no issues with the control group. This is also why people are seeing their trucks deliver with 50-100 miles on the odometer. That's just part of being in the control group.

Other people on the forum see "QC hold" and assume that means something is broken or software updates are required, which there has been no evidence of this entire time.

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[Wayfaring Ranger]

My worry is that they get fall out in the paint, etc. sitting up there so long. Sure hope not.

The only thing I'm concerned about with this is driving them on salted roads and not cleaning that salt off. Hopefully FoMoCo is smart enough and didn't do this. Otherwise, sitting out in normal weather is what any car at a dealership goes through. It's likely not going to cause any significant paint issues.

 

[fordtrks4ever]

So was Ford Chat told to tell folks "Your vehicle is waiting for a update" when you ask.
I have gotten that replay the last two times.
And dealer has zero info.

 

[Bt_okst]

We have video and picture proof of the holding lots with how Ford stores these cars, these specific images were from a news segment from metro detroit just last week so clearly it's recent. We have visible proof that some vehicles are boxed in tightly, we have proof from ATN going to MAP last week and talking to the people there to know for sure that there's no "QC Hold" that is preventing shipping. The same people at MAP also mentioning they read these forums and laugh at the conspiracies people post.

But yeah lets just keep posting weird conspiracy theories instead of just listening to the people who went through this with the Bronco and warned us this would happen months ago. Let's also just ignore what MAP told ATN last week and keep assuming Ford is just hiding things from us. Super productive.



Dealers aren't manufacturers and the business model is completely different. Completely irrelevant to everything being discussed here.

From the full video with multiple drone shots, I counted over 30 vehicles at least that would need to be moved just to get that truck out. This would take way longer than 5 minutes. And why would they waste that time when there's hundreds of other trucks that can also be shipped without playing tetris?

You're a dude who handles customer financing at mercedes dealership, you know just as much about Ford's shipping process as the the rest of us.



And clearly they don't need to, as there's many other vehicles they can ship first as they get to that trapped truck. Why spend 30 minutes freeing one guy's truck when they could continue the logical process and ship the first vehicles that are available?

The rangers not being shipped are on hold. My dealer and Ford rep can both see that it's built, know what lot it's sitting in, since it's electronics are on, and both have a "hold" status showing for my truck. The rep told my dealer that there is for fact a hold, but it would not be disclosed as to why. My dealer worked as a high up executive for almost 20 years before becoming a dealer and still has contacts. They won't disclose why they are on hold, but have affirmed that they are.

So I'm sorry, but a hold is fact, and not a conspiracy theory.

 

[FakePilot9]

This would make sense.

I think there's varying ideas of what "QC hold" means to various people on the forum. The QC hold you mention sounds valid, the first trucks built go through more stringent testing to be sure they are good to go. This probably was the main reason things didn't ship till March, just making sure there's no issues with the control group. This is also why people are seeing their trucks deliver with 50-100 miles on the odometer. That's just part of being in the control group.

Other people on the forum see "QC hold" and assume that means something is broken or software updates are required, which there has been no evidence of this entire time.

Some don’t understand there could be 0 issues with their truck but one in the batch had something wrong. So they go back to every truck before that and verify it wasn’t a pattern. That’s more or less QC hold

 

[arob]

Now I get why people are paying $55k for base Tacomas

maybe if ford could learn how to park cars they could compete in the mid size market again
Or maybe hire some valets for $10 an hour

Im going to buy an accord

 

[Bt_okst]

The only thing I'm concerned about with this is driving them on salted roads and not cleaning that salt off. Hopefully FoMoCo is smart enough and didn't do this. Otherwise, sitting out in normal weather is what any car at a dealership goes through. It's likely not going to cause any significant paint issues.

Except when we had our dealership and multiple occasions, vehicles that sat on lots at the plant, came with fall out in paint and had to be repainted.

 

[FakePilot9]

The rangers not being shipped are on hold. My dealer and rep can both see that it's built, know what lot it's sitting in, since it's electronics are on, and both have a "hold" status showing for my truck. The rep told my dealer that there is for fact a hold, but it would not be disclosed as to why.

So I'm sorry, but a hold is fact, and not a conspiracy theory.

Possibly for your batch, for mine that is no longer the case.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

The rangers not being shipped are on hold. My dealer and rep can both see that it's built, know what lot it's sitting in, since it's electronics are on, and both have a "hold" status showing for my truck. The rep told my dealer that there is for fact a hold, but it would not be disclosed as to why.

So I'm sorry, but a hold is fact, and not a conspiracy theory.

Mine was jan 18 build date, no hold, not shipped.

AllTerrainNation went down to MAP and talked to "key people" at the plant who said there have been no hold that are delaying shipping.

I'm not saying either you or ATN are lying, but I'm gonna trust ATN and their Ford connections on this theory.

 

[Bt_okst]

Mine was jan 18 build date, no hold, not shipped.

AllTerrainNation went down to MAP and talked to "key people" at the plant who said there have been no hold that are delaying shipping.

I'm not saying either you or ATN are lying, but I'm gonna trust ATN and their Ford connections on this theory.

You believe what you want, but I have proof mine is on hold and from sources within Ford.

 

[FakePilot9]

So was Ford Chat told to tell folks "Your vehicle is waiting for a update" when you ask.
I have gotten that replay the last two times.
And dealer has zero info.

Your dealer sucks. What part of the US? They can reach out to their rep and request a status update.

 

[Scotty piffin]

We have video and picture proof of the holding lots with how Ford stores these cars, these specific images were from a news segment from metro detroit just last week so clearly it's recent. We have visible proof that some vehicles are boxed in tightly, we have proof from ATN going to MAP last week and talking to the people there to know for sure that there's no "QC Hold" that is preventing shipping. The same people at MAP also mentioning they read these forums and laugh at the conspiracies people post.

But yeah lets just keep posting weird conspiracy theories instead of just listening to the people who went through this with the Bronco and warned us this would happen months ago. Let's also just ignore what MAP told ATN last week and keep assuming Ford is just hiding things from us. Super productive.



Dealers aren't manufacturers and the business model is completely different. Completely irrelevant to everything being discussed here.

From the full video with multiple drone shots, I counted over 30 vehicles at least that would need to be moved just to get that truck out. This would take way longer than 5 minutes. And why would they waste that time when there's hundreds of other trucks that can also be shipped without playing tetris?

You're a dude who handles customer financing at mercedes dealership, you know just as much about Ford's shipping process as the the rest of us.



And clearly they don't need to, as there's many other vehicles they can ship first as they get to that trapped truck. Why spend 30 minutes freeing one guy's truck when they could continue the logical process and ship the first vehicles that are available?

Has nothing to do with what I do for a living, everything comes down to cost. They are going ship cars logically based on cost efficiency, they are going to have people move a few cars if it means sending full trains of presold cars to a certain region. Everything comes down to money. If there were cars against a fence with 20 rows of cars in front of them yes I could see those taking some time to dig out, but 15 cars in a single file line bumper to bumper which is in fact the case you are making, is not an insurmountable hurdle.

 

[crshelps]

I just placed a new order to replace the one struck in production since 1/5. As I stated on an earlier post I ordered a Focus ST and it disappeared in the build stage. Found out it was put on QA hold and never was released. At this stage I am getting a truck probably quicker then the original, not setting in the elements for 2 months or longer and who knows what issues are holding it up. I am a Ford guy and have not had anything but for 40 yrs. Dad retired from Ford 40 yrs. This will be the first new vehicle I won't have a x/z plan. Miss you dad!

 

[Deleted member 6903]

The vehicles being boxed in is the most logical explanation for most of us. I realize there are credible reports of vehicles being on hold so that may be in play for a subset of us. And while it might be annoying for those of us who have an early build it is probably the lesser evil for Ford. I'd imagine FILO maximizes production and shipping efficiency and minimizes the number of disgruntled customers. Of course, those of us who are disgruntled are going to be very disgruntled. But it's probably better to have a few very disgruntled customers even to the point of being pissed off than have a lot of marginally disgruntled ones.

 

[PawnX]

How is it inexcusable? You haven't paid for anything therefore you're owed nothing.

Ford has engineers and systems that calculate the most efficient shipping methods with the logistics that are available.

Efficiency vs cost efficiency are two different things. I work in a company with logistics. Not always the brightest guys in the room.

But, I agree with you. Unfortunately it's more than just unblocking the vehicle. Where do you put the vehicle's you are moving to get the specific one out? Then you have to repark those vehicle's. They are already built would soon be the older vehicle and would need be pulled out. But you still have more brand new builds rolling into the lot.

You would def think with the vehicles around the edges all in a line and super blocked in would have been the oldest parked in the front with a way to directly pull out. You then park newer vehicles behind that so non are blocked.

Quality check's could have disrupted that some, but the production number's were way smaller compared to today. A clear parking order should have been put in place to avoid this. Having the same issue's with the Bronco's make this even a bigger head scratcher.

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