And I probably would prefer a direct to consumer model. But that doesn’t change the world we live in now. Sales persons aren’t getting rich off your back. Dealership owners are. Direct your frustration at them. They’re the one lobbying against changes to the current model.
Side bar; I can say without a doubt, from my anecdotal observations on here, nearly 100% of the people harping about ADM are bitter and all 100% of those who did pay an ADM are not bitter at all.
You must not recognize that used cars are actually a bigger profit maker for dealers than new car sales? Or that all buyers are not young and/or tech-savvy enough to handle a complex purchase like this on-line? Even IF manufacturers moved exclusively to on-line new car ordering (seems unworkable IMO) they won't be shipping individual units to every single buyer at home. Would not be cost effective and there simply isn't a big enough network of auto transport trucks + drivers to ever make this feasible. You would still go receive your new Ford, GM, Kia at a dealership of some type so you can inspect in person and finalize transaction. They would also still be your Consumer facing contact point for warranty work and repairs and OEM parts.
I think what people want is more like what Tesla is doing. You buy the car online and the price is the same for everyone. Then it gets shipped to the dealership where you pick it up. The dealerships will still do the warranty work and everything. It's just cutting out the middle man when it comes to buying the car. You could still have the option of going to a dealership to buy one but there is no negotiating over the price, it's set by Ford or whoever. The dealership still gets money from the sell of the car, it's just built into the price. That makes it fair for everyone no matter if you are white, black, straight, gay or whatever. Not fair for some guy to go buy a car for $40,000 but some young girl buys the exact same car from the same dealership for $44,000.You must not recognize that used cars are actually a bigger profit maker for dealers than new car sales? Or that all buyers are not young and/or tech-savvy enough to handle a complex purchase like this on-line? Even IF manufacturers moved exclusively to on-line new car ordering (seems unworkable IMO) they won't be shipping individual units to every single buyer at home. Would not be cost effective and there simply isn't a big enough network of auto transport trucks + drivers to ever make this feasible. You would still go receive your new Ford, GM, Kia at a dealership of some type so you can inspect in person and finalize transaction. They would also still be your Consumer facing contact point for warranty work and repairs and OEM parts.
Carmax and other nationwide auto groups and independent franchises selling used are not going away, no matter how much wishful thinking is posted on the internet about this. Not ALL change is progress or even good for the bulk of consumers, especially when we are talking about the 2nd largest purchase most people will make in their lifetimes. If it aint broke, don't fix it ?
To clarify, I too would like to see all car companies move to a Tesla style sales setup, however...
I can tell you don't work in the industry. When a dealer adds $15K to a new vehicle, it's pure profit, as in, money on their pocket. Steak and Lobster for everyone. I'm sure this makes sense for you?You must not recognize that used cars are actually a bigger profit maker for dealers than new car sales? Or that all buyers are not young and/or tech-savvy enough to handle a complex purchase like this on-line? Even IF manufacturers moved exclusively to on-line new car ordering (seems unworkable IMO) they won't be shipping individual units to every single buyer at home. Would not be cost effective and there simply isn't a big enough network of auto transport trucks + drivers to ever make this feasible. You would still go receive your new Ford, GM, Kia at a dealership of some type so you can inspect in person and finalize transaction. They would also still be your Consumer facing contact point for warranty work and repairs and OEM parts.
Carmax and other nationwide auto groups and independent franchises selling used are not going away, no matter how much wishful thinking is posted on the internet about this. Not ALL change is progress or even good for the bulk of consumers, especially when we are talking about the 2nd largest purchase most people will make in their lifetimes. If it aint broke, don't fix it ?
They can't just mark it up.
actually, I did work in the industry decades ago and learned the ins and outs from salespeople. I Had friends with decades of experience in industry I bought from and learned from too. Your basic argument is against market forces determining value of goods and happens to be the basis of the US economic model, that works better than any other ever invented- until gov't sticks their noses in it and picks winners and losers- or worse yet legislations to make things "fair". See wiki below.
I’m paying a $5k ADM. But I also have to buy a new vehicle this year since my company is ditching fleet cars. Obviously not happy about it but it’s also completely expected for a limited run vehicle. People here like to forget that nearly every high spec Tacoma that leaves the lot has a markup. Same on Frontier Pro 4x’s and ZR2’s and AT4’s. If you have time to wait it out and buy without a markup, go for it. I don’t think you’ll ever be able to based on what’s happening with the other Raptors, but I don’t blame you. But some of use don’t have a choice, some have the cash, and some are impatient. What I can’t stand though is these condescending comments all over this thread. Whatever happened to minding your own business and “if you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all”?Side bar; I can say without a doubt, from my anecdotal observations on here, nearly 100% of the people harping about ADM are bitter and all 100% of those who did pay an ADM are not bitter at all.
The haves and the have nots, a tale as old as time.
Then you are at the mercy of Musk playing ping pong with his pricing every other week. Surely you have seen the stories of people being pissed off after paying going rate for a Tesla and then Musk cuts prices 2 weeks later with no warning? Isn’t that exactly what you described with a guy and a girl buying the same car from the same dealer- but 1 gets charged more? The industry answer to this is MSRP, so every person starts out with a level playing field.
