RR 3.0 Wet Belt Driven Oil Pump - issues in future?

[daytoncarter]

It’s pretty ironic we're debating three great engine choices when most midsized buyers are stuck with one. But look at those times—a 0.3s quarter-mile gap is what? A truck length? That "massive advantage" doesn’t translate because the 2.3L’s 200lb weight advantage helps it off the line while the V6 is limited by traction and torque management. The computers effectively sync them until the end where the V6 finally fights wind drag to eke out a tiny lead. How is hitting the limiter 2.2 seconds faster an advantage? Taking from a sports car metaphor, it's fun to drive a slow car fast, so I guess the boat-like handling does make for a trill at 100mph.

Honestly, I'm just curious why Ford bothers certifying three separate architectures for one platform. It seems like a logistics nightmare compared to offering the 2.3L and one V6 block (like the 3.0L) with two different tunes—especially since the Ford tune pushes the 2.3L MPC to 350 HP. The V6s clearly have the most towing and tuning headroom, and that diesel-derived block tech is cool hardware, but for street driving, the gap is mostly theoretical.

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[Jason B]

It’s pretty ironic we're debating three great engine choices when most midsized buyers are stuck with one. But look at those times—a 0.3s quarter-mile gap is what? A truck length? That "massive advantage" doesn’t translate because the 2.3L’s 200lb weight advantage helps it off the line while the V6 is limited by traction and torque management. The computers effectively sync them until the end where the V6 finally fights wind drag to eke out a tiny lead. How is hitting the limiter 2.2 seconds faster an advantage? Taking from a sports car metaphor, it's fun to drive a slow car fast, so I guess the boat-like handling does make for a trill at 100mph.

Honestly, I'm just curious why Ford bothers certifying three separate architectures for one platform. It seems like a logistics nightmare compared to offering the 2.3L and one V6 block (like the 3.0L) with two different tunes—especially since the Ford tune pushes the 2.3L MPC to 350 HP. The V6s clearly have the most towing and tuning headroom, and that diesel-derived block tech is cool hardware, but for street driving, the gap is mostly theoretical.

FYI, F150 XLT has 4 choices of engine, and 8 choices for rear axle. 3:15, 3:31, 3:55, 3:73, in with or without e-lock

 

[daytoncarter]

FYI, F150 XLT has 4 choices of engine, and 8 choices for rear axle. 3:15, 3:31, 3:55, 3:73, in with or without e-lock

Ford sold 800k F150s last year versus 70k Rangers. It's more than 10:1. So yeah, I'm not surprised F150 gets 4 choices of engines, the cost is amortized over 200k units sold versus in Ranger it's 23k sold per engine choice.

 

[daytoncarter]

Add all the off-road hardware to the stock 2.7L XLT / Lariat so it weighs the same as the Raptor and can jump 2-4 feet in the air, then your gap will grow. Heavier truck needs more power to accelerate.

Stick the 3.0L in an XLT / Larit and you will gain around 7-8 tenths in the quarter mile which is called a "royal beating". It's all relative to perspective, driving around the street, nothing with base engine. Some people want more, so they up to the 2.7L.

But the standard Ranger can't do off-road what the Raptor can, that suspension, chassis and tire package adds weight, it's there for a reason. So, you get more power. Stock to stock or pro cal to pro cal, if you put the same engine in the same weight of truck it's significant difference when your actually in the vehicle.

But yah, some people don't care about performance, they care about cost, reliability and economy, so go base engine, but stop trying to tell everyone it's meaningless, maybe to you, but line up to me on a back road and I'll show you how puny your 2.3L really is, muahahaha!!!

And 98% of Ranger Raptor owners never jump their truck more than over a speed bump. I think your point is what about this, but the fact that the 2.3L is capable and competent doesn't take away from the 2.7L or 3.0L at all.

My G70 would smoke your Raptor in a drag race, so what, there's always gonna be somebody faster, smarter, stronger, etc.

 

[Lion77]

I'm not 98% of raptor owners. I'm the 2%.

 

[daytoncarter]

I'm not 98% of raptor owners. I'm the 2%.

Cool. I like most can't afford to do that with a $60k truck. If I wanted to stunt jump I'd buy a $500 beater and I bet I'd fly higher than the RR

 

[Lion77]

Why not buy a $500 beater truck and wear that out instead of your expensive 2.3L ranger? There's plenty of old diesel trucks out there that will out tow a brand-new ranger that can be reliable on the cheap. Or a used F-150 with the base 2.7L that can tow more than the ranger in any trim?

To each his own. This whole thread was about the 2.7L and 3.0L and 5.0L having belt driven oil pumps of doom. Now it's about how awesome your 2.3L is, how pointless my 3.0L raptor is and how amazing your G70 is bla bla bla.

At the end of the day, I'll enjoy what I have, I use it for a lot of different things and the 3.0L / Raptor chasiss is great for what I use it for. Enjoy your 2.3L Ranger and your pointless 3.3T G70 because you should have just bought the base 2.5T G70 since the 3.3T offers pointless differences on the street, right?

Oh, wait, you wanted a sport sedan with more power you DIDN'T need. Better go trade in that pointlessly 3.3T G70 for a base 2.5T or better yet, for a Prius. I'll keep my meaningless 3.0L Raptor and enjoy jumping it, touring with it, hauling stuff with it, camping with it, off-roading with it etc. and you can have fun with your meaninglessly fast G70 sport sedan and base engine 2.3L Ranger. Good night.

 

[daytoncarter]

Why not buy a $500 beater truck and wear that out instead of your expensive 2.3L ranger? There's plenty of old diesel trucks out there that will out tow a brand-new ranger that can be reliable on the cheap. Or a used F-150 with the base 2.7L that can tow more than the ranger in any trim?

To each his own. This whole thread was about the 2.7L and 3.0L and 5.0L having belt driven oil pumps of doom. Now it's about how awesome your 2.3L is, how pointless my 3.0L raptor is and how amazing your G70 is bla bla bla.

At the end of the day, I'll enjoy what I have, I use it for a lot of different things and the 3.0L / Raptor chasiss is great for what I use it for. Enjoy your 2.3L Ranger and your pointless 3.3T G70 because you should have just bought the base 2.5T G70 since the 3.3T offers pointless differences on the street, right?

Oh, wait, you wanted a sport sedan with more power you DIDN'T need. Better go trade in that pointlessly 3.3T G70 for a base 2.5T or better yet, for a Prius. I'll keep my meaningless 3.0L Raptor and enjoy jumping it, touring with it, hauling stuff with it, camping with it, off-roading with it etc. and you can have fun with your meaninglessly fast G70 sport sedan and base engine 2.3L Ranger. Good night.

Are you trying to gaslight me? You posted your 16 Mustang GT Mustang first and you started this jumping tangent - NOT ME.

Your 455hp 2016 Mustang including two pics not about the 2.7L or 3.0L: https://www.ranger6g.com/forum/thre...n-oil-pump-issues-in-future.26202/post-378838


What's more hilarious is to set this up is you DELETED your post where you raised the issue about how your Raptor jumps:

Then you wanna compare jumping your truck to buying a new reliable daily driver versus a $500 beater as if it's apples to oranges. Or as if driving the Ranger daily carries the same risk as jumping the Raptor. Likewise, I bought the G70 at a significant discount, probably less than a 2.5L would've cost so in my case I didn't pay a premium for the engine and the same logic applies. Daily driving a sedan carries different risks than jumping your vehicle or using it for bajaing.

 

[yerkool]

What do you guys think of this cheap wet belt and issues in the future? Until 2017 the 3.0 ecoboost oil pump was chain driven. .
This is a big engineering downgrade, and don’t come with things like less friction an emissions, because this is a fail on purpose design. .

I’ve been an electronic technician in the Southern California sweat shops for 4 decades, and we this kind of scenario, “bean counter engineering “

 

[Hootbro]

I’ve been an electronic technician in the Southern California sweat shops for 4 decades, and we this kind of scenario, “bean counter engineering “

No doubt, but the box the engineer has to work in has been defined by others and they rarely get to engineer how they would want to do it. It's a balance between cost, quality and engineering.

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