The new 2025 Dual injection strategy

[HighDesertRanger]

For the 6gen Ranger, the 2024 2.3 was direct injection only, but as of 2025 it is port and direct injected. The 2.7 has been and is port and direct injected. The 3.0 has been and is direct injected only.

That was my understanding as well.

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[mzeitler]

i got this response direct from ford tech support.

 

[Lion77]

I think the reason they took so long to move the 2.3L over to dual is because in the majority of use cases DI is not a problem. Mazda is DI only still in all their engines and the SkyActive 2.5G and Turbo have proven quite reliable since 2012 / 2016 when they were each introduced respectively.

The "DI sucks and will carbon foul" is massively overblown. It's a legitimate problem in cars that see a lot of short cycling, aka 5-10 mile trips where they don't come up to temp, especially when using non-synthetic oils and non-TopTier fuels.

You get a lot of moisture accumulation and sludging from the oil, blow by and also buildup from the lower quality fuels that don't have optimal additive packages.

AAA did a test between fuel grades and found that non-TopTier fuels produce around 19x more carbon deposits on the valves and injectors than TopTier brands (just do a google for TopTier fuels if you want info).

But I do get the move to dual injection, it really is the best of both worlds and maximizes all-around performance, fuel economy and helps mitigate carbon buildup on intake valves for cars that see frequent short trips, but it won't solve ring wear, carbon buildup on the injectors and pistons for said cars, just on the intake valves.

Since it's not a "fix all" for short cycling, that's probably why they didn't rush it since the 2.3L has shown to be reasonably reliable in most use cases.

 

[Lion77]

i got this response direct from ford tech support.

I believe they are incorrect, they are probably referencing the Ford website, which mistakenly lists the 3.0L as being dual (Port + DI), it has listed the 3.0L in the RR as dual injection since 2024.

I'm 99% positive some guys with 2025's have also already checked the fuel rails and they are the same for 2024, 2025. I'd imagine the 2026 is no different, but if it is that's great, however they would likely have improved fuel economy if it was which is usually a benefit of Dual injection, and everything is still rated the same for 2024 - 2026.

 

[MasterCylinder]

i got this response direct from ford tech support.

Looks like its coin toss time.

The only way this will be for sure is those who own them the 24&25 Raptor to look & post pictures. Direct injection will mount under the intakes in the runner valley. Port will be more visible as the injectors are in the intakes runners and pretty hard to hide.
As others have pointed out the 25, 2.3l is dual, the 2.7l started in 2018. Right after the 3.5l got it

 

[MasterCylinder]

I can't see how you would plumb twin-scroll turbos on the twin-turbo 3.0L... So I'm betting the 3.0L does not use twin-scroll turbos.
Don't know about the 2.7L - is that a twin turbo or single? If it's a single then sure, twin-scroll otherwise same logic applies.

I found the answer. See photo. They did the exhaust pulse timing by different size exhaust feed ports. Took forever for someone at Ford to post real pictures of the turbo to see!

 

[hand-filer]

Looks like its coin toss time.

The only way this will be for sure is those who own them the 24&25 Raptor to look & post pictures. Direct injection will mount under the intakes in the runner valley. Port will be more visible as the injectors are in the intakes runners and pretty hard to hide.
As others have pointed out the 25, 2.3l is dual, the 2.7l started in 2018. Right after the 3.5l got it

It was confirmed by a forum member with photos, that the 3.0 is direct injection only.
Strange that the 2.3 & 2.7 have the dual system and the halo engine doesn't.

 

[MasterCylinder]

It was confirmed by a forum member with photos, that the 3.0 is direct injection only.
Strange that the 2.3 & 2.7 have the dual system and the halo engine doesn't.

Reason is, more power arh, arh, arhh. Lol
Dynometer test show Direct injection produces more power all things being equal engine wise. Science says its because the port injection system displaces some of the air going into the cylinders! More air more power!

 

[Lion77]

Yes, direct injection is about performance and efficiency at higher loads / RPMS. Port injection favors longer term reliability and fuel economy at cruising RPMs / light loads. Both have different ranges where they are optimal. Dual injection is the best of both worlds but also the most complicated and costly.

No system is perfect, but I agree dual is the best overall, but I wouldn't fret about what injection system is being used. Maintenance and driving habits trump all three designs in terms of longevity. If you floor your engine every day when it's cold, by 75~100k you're going to have some serious cam wear, rod bearing wear and probably the beginnings of piston slap from wear.

If you take the time to warm it up by limiting throttle on a cold engine and only flog it after it's fully warmed up (including the TRANSMISSION oil), then you'll get a full life out of it barring some latent manufacturing defect or lack of maintenance (not changing oil regularly).

 

[Lion77]

I found the answer. See photo. They did the exhaust pulse timing by different size exhaust feed ports. Took forever for someone at Ford to post real pictures of the turbo to see!

Ford has been using the twin scroll in the 2.0L's for quite some time. I thought they changed to a twin scroll in the 2.3L around the same time? It's just dual injection that's new on the 2025 2.3L to my knolwedge.

I know Ford has had its teething issues with Ecoboost engines, but there was some intelligence to it, they probably have by far the most mature turbo designs on the market now for domestic brands and their newer stuff, again, manufacturing / assembly issues aside, seems to be well designed overall.

I know the mid-year refreshed Escapes with the 2.0L turbo got a twin scroll upgrade as I was looking at one right around the time, I had got my 2016 GT. I had really liked my pop's 2013 Escape with gen 1 2.0L ecoboost (still running today with 166k miles on it).

 

[MasterCylinder]

Yes, direct injection is about performance and efficiency at higher loads / RPMS. Port injection favors longer term reliability and fuel economy at cruising RPMs / light loads. Both have different ranges where they are optimal. Dual injection is the best of both worlds but also the most complicated and costly.

No system is perfect, but I agree dual is the best overall, but I wouldn't fret about what injection system is being used. Maintenance and driving habits trump all three designs in terms of longevity. If you floor your engine every day when it's cold, by 75~100k you're going to have some serious cam wear, rod bearing wear and probably the beginnings of piston slap from wear.

If you take the time to warm it up by limiting throttle on a cold engine and only flog it after it's fully warmed up (including the TRANSMISSION oil), then you'll get a full life out of it barring some latent manufacturing defect or lack of maintenance (not changing oil regularly).

I cringe every time someone I'm with cold starts their vehicle and never even gives the fast idle time to drop before going into gear and gone!

 

[MasterCylinder]

Ford has been using the twin scroll in the 2.0L's for quite some time. I thought they changed to a twin scroll in the 2.3L around the same time? It's just dual injection that's new on the 2025 2.3L to my knolwedge.

I know Ford has had its teething issues with Ecoboost engines, but there was some intelligence to it, they probably have by far the most mature turbo designs on the market now for domestic brands and their newer stuff, again, manufacturing / assembly issues aside, seems to be well designed overall.

I know the mid-year refreshed Escapes with the 2.0L turbo got a twin scroll upgrade as I was looking at one right around the time, I had got my 2016 GT. I had really liked my pop's 2013 Escape with gen 1 2.0L ecoboost (still running today with 166k miles on it).

The post was to clarify for those interested in how the uneven exhaust pulses were being addressed. A V6 has uneven cylinders per-side, unlike the 4cyl or V8. My friend has the 2015 Stang with the twin scroll. A twin scroll needs even exhaust pulses down both sides/channels to function properly as designed. Thanks though, we all have to share information as we can't take it with us.

 

[Blowndodge]

I was told my 2024 2.3 lariat was going to explode in 75k miles... I'm not worried.

 

[superj]

My son's 2014 focus st was still going when he sold it this past summer. Same direct injection and no catch can. Well over 100k because he drove it to everything the army sent him in other states. All training, he drove back amd forth too, and it was his college car

 

[got3fords]

I cringe every time someone I'm with cold starts their vehicle and never even gives the fast idle time to drop before going into gear and gone!

I cringe every time someone tells me I need to sit there and wait, wasting gas until the idle comes down. Heck, the other day it was cold out, I was fiddling around for a good 10 minutes before I was ready to hop in and go, and it was still at high idle. It's a 5G but the principle is the same. Too long.

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