Baxter Performance Spin On Oil Filter

[Satex]

I won’t provide any details of the personal and private agreement but it‘s a verbal agreement between the dealership owner, the GM and myself. I can say, everything is dependent upon personal relationships.

Additionally, determined by the service manager; the unit doesn’t modify the actual functionality of the OEM filtration system, and presents no concern, due to its manufacture and construction.

Everything beyond OEM is considered a modification. Your dealership is in charge of how a warranty is handled. If they decide to permit such modifications, they take responsibility for any parts or monetary compensation within reason, not FORD. Otherwise, the dealership extends their personal warranty.

I’ve had a very long and excellent relationship with this dealership. They’ve extended their personal protection on several vehicles purchased directly from them, that were modified beyond OEM specifications. This one is no exception.

Thanks. At some level, EVERYTHING is bassed on trust. Beyond the dealer's word, we're still trusting that FoMoCo will back their written warranties.

I do disagree with your assessment on one key point though, which is that the dealer determines what is covered. There's no question that if the dealer says "no," then you're out of luck (assuming no other dealer takes the case.) However, dealers can and do say "yes" and then get told "no" by the manufacturer.

From experience, some dealerships are more respected and trusted (by the manufacturer) than others, so having a respected dealership sell your case is a big deal. BUT if Ford declines, then your promise is backed only by that dealership's willingness to spend their own money to keep their word. Trust is tested when money is on the line.

I don't question the trust you apparently have. Just understand that they can't make Ford warranty something if Ford insists isn't covered.

Sponsored

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

It's just the simple truth, regardless if you agree with it or not. If a ford representative came down & inspected the motor they would have an easy out for denial on a oil related failure. Dealerships are 3rd party companies & ultimately don't get reimbursed unless the manufacturer approves the fix. Now, if the dealer wants to eat the repair costs, that's on them & it's a completely separate conversation. Regardless, that product is trying to fix a problem that's not even there.

Move on, you’re literally attempting to answer for myself and a personal dealers agreement. You’re speculating about something you have no idea or clue about, full stop.

Most of us are well aware of the warranty process and its obvious requirements. So, you’re not informing anyone of something they aren’t already aware of.

The Baxter unit allows the use of a spin off filter and doesn’t fix anything. You’re uninformed and are speculating.

Not going to get in into a non-reality, imaginary scenario, conversation, with someone who is clueless regarding a personal agreement between a dealership owner and myself.

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

Thanks. At some level, EVERYTHING is bassed on trust. Beyond the dealer's word, we're still trusting that FoMoCo will back their written warranties.

I do disagree with your assessment on one key point though, which is that the dealer determines what is covered. There's no question that if the dealer says "no," then you're out of luck (assuming no other dealer takes the case.) However, dealers can and do say "yes" and then get told "no" by the manufacturer.

From experience, some dealerships are more respected and trusted (by the manufacturer) than others, so having a respected dealership sell your case is a big deal. BUT if Ford declines, then your promise is backed only by that dealership's willingness to spend their own money to keep their word. Trust is tested when money is on the line.

I don't question the trust you apparently have. Just understand that they can't make Ford warranty something if Ford insists isn't covered.

You’re welcome! No one said they could or couldn’t. I‘ll make one comment; Who does the teardown and submits the warranty claim? Beyond this, I’m not going to get into imaginary senerio‘s for obvious reasons.

I rely upon the lawful standards of their written warranty, FORD’s ability to support it, my personal knowledge and understanding and permission from the dealership.

“Caveat Emptor“ let the buyer beware. Choose a dealership that will provide excellent customer along with the product. We have all the control as buyer to purchase or not.

IMO the Baxter unit is a solid, well designed and manufacture, fully tested, useful part. It offers an excellent way to save time and effort without jeopardizing system functionality.

 

[ADKL1]

Move on, you’re literally attempting to answer for myself and a personal dealers agreement. You’re speculating about something you have no idea or clue about, full stop.

Most of us are well aware of the warranty process and its obvious requirements. So, you’re not informing anyone something they aren’t already aware of.

The Baxter unit allows the use of a spin off filter and doesn’t fix anything. You’re uninformed and are speculating.

Not going to get in into a non-reality conversation, with someone who is clueless regarding a personal agreement between a dealership owner and myself.

You clearly don't not understand how the manufacturers warranty process works & basing your argument on a unique situation between you and your local dealer validates that.
Manufacturers love to make service departments prove why they should have to pay for replacements on big ticket repairs. They go as far as making the service centers send those items back to the factorys before they approve the repairs. It happens every day....
Also, If you were in a situation where you had a mechanical breakdown away from your friendly dealership, the other service dept would do what they are allowed to do within the constraints of what Ford approves or they would hand you a bill.
I.E. = your handshake or written promises are only good at the dealer that gave them to you.
I hopes this helps....

 

[Satex]

You clearly don't not understand how the manufacturers warranty process works & basing your argument on a unique situation between you and your local dealer validates that.
Also, If you were in a situation where you had a mechanical breakdown away from your friendly dealership, the other service dept would do what they are allowed to do within the constraints of what Ford approves or they would hand you a bill.
I.E. = your handshake or written promises are only good at the dealer that gave them to you.
I hopes this helps....

I'm kind of a third party here, but I have to say ... I see no point to your last 2 comments. You've been answered. The only thing that seems possible is that you're viewing this thread as a competition that you can win if you just keep repeating yourself.

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

I'm kind of a third party here, but I have to say ... I see no point to your last 2 comments. You've been answered. The only thing that seems possible is that you're viewing this thread as a competition that you can win if you just keep repeating yourself.

Ditto……some individuals like to argue, for the sake of arguing.

 

[aros_769]

What is the recommended spin on filter for use with this?

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

What is the recommended spin on filter for use with this?

https://www.baxterperformanceusa.com/suggested-oil-filter-by-make-model

 

[Awirez]

This product has me intrigued as its main selling point, anti-siphoning. I hear both sides of the for and against.

It seems that the check valve in the filter outlet(as well as an anti-siphon within a spin on filter) should prevent siphoning from the filter to the sump, as if no air is allowed in the system from the filter to the sump the oil should remain static, thus keeping the sump to filter portion of the lubrication system primed. Else, the clearances within the post filter components (mains, heads, turbos, etc.) eventually allow air into the system to allow the oil to siphon and drain back into the oil sump, i.e., wait x number of minutes before draining oil when changing your oil. Is that correct?

Some have said that this is not needed as the original design has a check valve. Can anyone elaborate as to why the original design of the oil system negates the need or benefit for this component, based on the design of the system?

As a somewhat related topic, tangible testing has shown benefit to lubrication getting to where it needs to go sooner rather than later. Does Pre-FILLING The Oil FILTER Cause Engine DAMAGE?

Sincerely, I'm a truth seeker and like to understand all sides. At the end of the day, everyone has an opinion.

 

[RB205]

Seems like a non issue that makes oil changes even more difficult. Supposedly our variable rate oil pumps can push upwards of 15 gallons per minute. That's literally turning over the entire oil pan every 6 seconds.

Not to mention the oil pump is pushing oil as the engine cranks, so you're getting that flow immediately as the engine starts moving.

But I do recommend running a Clear Flood start after any oil filter change. Floor the throttle and start the car, it won't ignite but will prime the oil system, saturating the filter and ensuring proper oil level in the can and check valve.

 

[Jaspah]

Seems like a non issue that makes oil changes even more difficult. Supposedly our variable rate oil pumps can push upwards of 15 gallons per minute. That's literally turning over the entire oil pan every 6 seconds.

Not to mention the oil pump is pushing oil as the engine cranks, so you're getting that flow immediately as the engine starts moving.

But I do recommend running a Clear Flood start after any oil filter change. Floor the throttle and start the car, it won't ignite but will prime the oil system, saturating the filter and ensuring proper oil level in the can and check valve.

Yep. Just seems like a great way to give Ford an easy reason to void your warranty to me.

 

[Awirez]

Yep. Just seems like a great way to give Ford an easy reason to void your warranty to me.

Indeed. As would any modification to the truck within mechanical/electrical/hydraulic proximal relation to any said warranty claim.

In this case I think OP has a significant relationship with their dealer and whether this device is good to go or not.

 

[Jakeraider]

And! Some people are douche bags just for the sake of being douche bags

Sponsored