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I'm not knocking the Ranger. The Ranger is on my short list for my next pickup truck. All I'm saying is that the idea that the Raptor is a "great bargain" is insane. That truck is HEAVILY overpriced.
I agree for me personally, I don't see the value, but when you consider the Raptor's upfitting it's in a class of it's own.

The suspension, powertrain, and tuning just aren't comparable.
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True.

Only way I could see it being a good thing for Raptor customers, would be if they gave us something extra for the added cost. Like cooled seats, and other upscale stuff we have been asking for.

More or less push it upscale a bit to justify the added price.
That would not bother me anyway. As long as I got something for the added cost.

Yep, I wanted the cooled seats, I wanted the rear HVAC vents, I wanted leather that doesnt suck, I wanted more color options than just grey.
 

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No, I don't mean 392 which is a special limited edition (and I'm not sure is even available anymore in favor of a new Moab special edition that's FAR less money). I'm talking top trim levels. Rubicon in Wrangler/Gladiator. Raptor in Ranger. ZR2 in Colorado. Pro-4X in Frontier.

In shopping, and by shopping I mean going to dealerships and talking to them about these trucks, I found that the Ranger Raptor is the most expensive by a LONG shot. Hell, you can buy a USED Raptor with 5k miles on it for close to the same price as the competitors if you want. But if you insist on new you're looking at $10k more money just to get started.

I'm not knocking the Ranger. The Ranger is on my short list for my next pickup truck. All I'm saying is that the idea that the Raptor is a "great bargain" is insane. That truck is HEAVILY overpriced.
The frontier isn't even worth discussing. The only Rubicons cheaper than an RR are relatively stripped since Jeep has piles of options. The ZR2 without the bison package isn't really comparable.

Objectively, Taco TRD Pro, Gladiator Rubicon X and ZR2 Bison are all more expensive list price. That you can get any at a substantial discount is indicative that they're overpriced. You have it backwards, basically.
 

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Forgot the astronomically prices 4G Tacoma TRD Pro with literally useless back seats, transmission problems, front diff issues and electrical / software issues for 66-68k. Or the 4G Tacoma Trail Hunter at the same price point sans the seat issue but with all the other problems.

The bank paid $59k for my shelter green late 24' RR (all the options). For another 7k-9k it would cost to get into the other trucks can buy a LOT of mods for the RR and the other trucks would require a completely custom engine just get parity with the RR's stock 3.0L thats built with diesel tech from the Power Stroke 6.7L, let alone any of them ever dreaming of matching a RR with a Pro Cal (which cost me $160 for the install and $650 for the cal).

Thats not counting all the other tech like the watts link or live valves you can't just buy as an equivalent plug and play setup aftermarket for the kther trucks (on top of the fact they already cost too much). The RR is a LOT of mid size truck for the money (in this market and compared to its competition) and it has no equal presently and probably won't.

Ford uses the 3.0L in the Explorer ST, Bronco Raptor, Lincoln Aviator and a few other older models no longer in production (3.0L first came out in 2016 alongside the 2.7L). Chevy, Toyota and Jeep dont have anything the size of the 3.0L that would fit thats turbocharged, which is why they only offer Turbo 4s or NA V6s that are weak sauce at best.

So they would need to develop a custom engine with low volumes just for the specialty mid size truck variant. Not gonna happen. Fords got the product range to make enough 3.0Ls to make it viable, so I doubt the RR will have any mid sized truck competitors come close any time soon interms of powertrain due to economics of development and production, let alone one with 10 years of prodiction behind it (a now well proven design).
 
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Lastly, dont forget the valve issues in the Colorados 8 speed transmission, quite a few quality problems there and they like to fold in half when you jump them becuase they never reinforced the frame from the previous gens....

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And the Jeep quality...hit or miss. Some have good luck and others seem to be nothing but constant problems. You would think with a low powered NA V6 it should be quite durable on average like the 3g Tacos but from what ive seen its hit or miss on quality.
 

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The Raptor is a good value relative to the competition, I would only point out that I see Colorado ZR2s and Tacoma TRD Pros at 10% under MSRP while most Raptors are still selling at or above.
Maybe the market has changed since then, but I bought a Tacoma TRD Pro a couple of years ago. I did a TON of shopping around, was unable to get under MSRP. It was hard to get it even at MSRP, took almost 6 months with one on order before I got a call that someone else's financing fell through.

In comparison to that, the RR is such a bargain.


Only way I could see it being a good thing for Raptor customers, would be if they gave us something extra for the added cost. Like cooled seats, and other upscale stuff we have been asking for.
I hope they do this, I want cooled seats.
 

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Yes, I have. I shopped them all over the last few months and brought home a loaded Rubicon. Loaded Rubicons are going for $50k. A GM ZR2 similar. The Raptor is astronomically priced for what it is. I honestly don't understand how it could be viewed otherwise.
I view it as you get what you pay for, have you actually driven a RR? I used to own a JL so let's be honest, there is a reason they are taking $13K of the sticker price of the Rubicon. If your goal is to be a rock crawler, you made the right choice. For me, ride quality, a powerful engine and 95% of the jeep off- road ability matter more. I paid $7K more for a far superior daily driver that is a blast and pleasure to drive. I can't wipe the smile off my face, and you can't put a price on that.
 
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rubicons aren't 50k here, they are way more because they are the top trim loaded rubicons. and that v6 is a no go for me. all the problems i read about on jeepforums (been a member there since probably 2004 or 5) with the v6s and the people i know personally that had those engine fail turned me off to any jeep with a v6.

and we live in a beach town so if course jeeps are way way over priced.

i do like that you could get the gladiator in a standard transmission but then i found out about the clutch issues so not only would you be worrying about the engine eating the cams (class action lawsuit on the jeep v6 is still going on) but then you have to worry about the clutch catching fire while off roading.
 

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The GMC Canyon AT4X is $59.5k with no options and only in white at that price point. Any other color exterior puts you over 60k and that's not even considering you end up closer to $70k when you start adding more options to the build.

I'm in agreement with everyone else, the ranger raptor is a very fair price compared to the suitable competitors and now that we are a few years in, it seems like it still has less issues than the GMC/Chevy/Tacoma options as well.

But with the tremor being added, I'd expect the raptor to get a decent price increase to bridge that gap.

Anyways...where's my ranger superduty
 

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So if they bring the long awaited Tremor in, I guess I am just not sold on it. I assume the price will be obviously high, and in the looks department not enough to differentiate from the FX4. And I am not into the orange adds. However, it according to the video it sit over an inch higher and wider? I doubt Ford would add a third wheelbase, so I am going to assume the added dimensions are all done with wheels and tires? Larger rubber still fitting within the standard set up? If that is the case, and I don't need the extra shock set up since it would be an on road use unit, then you can achieve the same with just adding bigger tires.
 

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I also think we dont need a tremor since we have base 4x4, fx4, and raptor off road.
 
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This is why I think the Ranger Trevor might follow the F150 and offer a front LSD. Otherwise, it’s not all that different from an FX4 at the end of the day.
Don't get me wrong - I would love a front AND rear LSD option, but let's be honest they probably sell as many F150 Tremors as they do Ranger XLTs and its just an option group on the F150. No way to justify the cost of a US only front diff option on the Ranger Tremor. That's just my thoughts.
 

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I've been hoping a ranger tremor comes out so we might get more suspension upgrade options. For the 5th gen rangers, a popular upgrade was to install the progressive leaf springs from the tremor on the non-tremor rangers, and I'm hoping to do exactly that. I'm also salivating for those bilsteins, and can't help but wonder if bilstein hasn't released shock upgrades for our rangers yet because they were working on this (or somehow contractually obligated not to release them before the tremor comes out?).
 
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First for anyone mentioning Toyota as an option, try ordering one the way YOU want, let me know how that goes.

As far as the Tremor- I really hope it add 4A. I don't really offroad, so I don't need any of the extras, but want the 4A, hell I'd be fine in an XLT with 4A
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