UAW and Ford Reach Tentative Agreement

[richman555]

The infrastructure is simply not in place yet for electric vehicles. It is really that simple.

The only way it works well from my understanding, is if you have a setup/garage for a home charger.

I don't have the statistics, but I believe many people like myself don't have this and can only consider ICE vehicles.

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[Wags]

The infrastructure is simply not in place yet for electric vehicles. It is really that simple.

The only way it works well from my understanding, is if you have a setup/garage for a home charger.

I don't have the statistics, but I believe many people like myself don't have this and can only consider ICE vehicles.

Home chargers are very easy to add and can be added for about $1000 or less. I think the issue is not having enough chargers around the country and the charging time. Until there are charging stations like gas stations and until I can charge a car in 10 minutes or less I won't consider one. I'm all for going greenER but it can't be done over night. And lets not even talk about towing with a EV because that's just a joke.

 

[Hmc610]

Home charging is a solution, but how many don’t have a garage in their place of residence?
Just think of the millions of people who live in cities and live in apartments who have park outside.

 

[Snkrjeff020]

Home charging is a solution, but how many don’t have a garage in their place of residence?
Just think of the millions of people who live in cities and live in apartments who have park outside.

My coworker just bought a fully electric S40 Volvo, and he said the range anxiety is real.

 

[ssjx7squall]

My coworker just bought a fully electric S40 Volvo, and he said the range anxiety is real.

It’s kinda funny because I know I’d have it despite many evs having more mileage per charge than my car does with a full tank

 

[RGReid]

Chargers and access to charging is not the problem. The problem is that the country (and world) does not have the electrical generating and transmission capacity to provide the power necessary for much more than the EV’s currently on the road. Wind, solar, tidal, etc (Green sources) cannot now or in the immediate future provide the necessary power. This is the inconvenient truth that the automakers are starting to wake up to. I think I’ll stay with an ICE vehicle for now.

 

[rwolfcastle]

Has anyone heard any updates on the strike?

It’s kinda funny because I know I’d have it despite many evs having more mileage per charge than my car does with a full tank

The reason everyone has range anxiety is because everyone knows that if you run out of juice in an EV, you're screwed and it requires an expensive towing bill. Run out of gas in a regular car and you just need to carry a gallon or two of gas to get it going again.

Every 400 or so miles, we can recharge our tanks in 5 minutes, no matter the weather. EVs take hours to charge and if it's cold outside, those hours of charging might buy you 120 miles of range.

 

[ssjx7squall]

Has anyone heard any updates on the strike?


The reason everyone has range anxiety is because everyone knows that if you run out of juice in an EV, you're screwed and it requires an expensive towing bill. Run out of gas in a regular car and you just need to carry a gallon or two of gas to get it going again.

Every 400 or so miles, we can recharge our tanks in 5 minutes, no matter the weather. EVs take hours to charge and if it's cold outside, those hours of charging might buy you 120 miles of range.

I mean not really if you consider just plugging the thing in when you get home. that is the ideal use case of EV charging. Granted, it requires what many of us in the younger generations lack these days, houses.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

Has anyone heard any updates on the strike?


The reason everyone has range anxiety is because everyone knows that if you run out of juice in an EV, you're screwed and it requires an expensive towing bill. Run out of gas in a regular car and you just need to carry a gallon or two of gas to get it going again.

Every 400 or so miles, we can recharge our tanks in 5 minutes, no matter the weather. EVs take hours to charge and if it's cold outside, those hours of charging might buy you 120 miles of range.

Yes. This goes back to what I said about certain use cases. For the average person commuting to work, picking up kids, running errands, etc there’s more than enough range in a current EV to get them there. Especially if they have a charger at home and/or work.

But road trips? Forget about it. At least right now. All you need to do is use the Ford trip planner and show up to a charger and have it be out of service and you are royally screwed.

 

[richman555]

Home chargers are very easy to add and can be added for about $1000 or less. I think the issue is not having enough chargers around the country and the charging time. Until there are charging stations like gas stations and until I can charge a car in 10 minutes or less I won't consider one. I'm all for going greenER but it can't be done over night. And lets not even talk about towing with a EV because that's just a joke.

I agree. I am not against EVs conceptually, but all I know is I cannot buy one with any confidence.

I live in a townhouse community with an HOA and to make matters worse my parking spaces are not adjacent to my home. No-one in my community has an EV as of today.

I do own a battery operated lawn mower however and it works pretty well. People scoffed at those things for years and they are now viable.

Most amazing part is right now I am thinking about an XLT Ranger with a 2.7L gas guzzler which still uses keys for ignition.

 

[SSingh1975]

My input on EV as a 1st time buyer (I held off over a year as I was a non-believer) but after owning my BMW IX for a week now (already 300 miles), I'm a believer.

I traded my 33k RangeRover as my remote work has now moved to hybrid and I'm covering more hospitals (lots of highway miles and sit in traffic adventures). I've been switching the drives in between my RR and my Tremor (Tremor does better milege @ 22mpg). But still a pain to fill up gas weekly at $6/gallon. Not to mention the high cost of maintenance on RR.

My inlaws side are Tesla owners for years and I've driven both Model X and Y but wasn't happy with the ride (X is much better with the air suspension and 22s). And interior is really cheap. I mean Elon made a killing with making cheap EV cars and selling it at max price ..lol. And the "marketed" 320 miles is not a real world #....my inlaws cars barely make it to 300 (city/freeway combined). BUT Tesla infrastructure (here in CA) is second to none. Superchargers EVERYWHERE and it's literally a 10 min charge to get to 200+ miles. And like $10. Ya won't see any Teslas "stranded" on the freeway anymore as the app is designed to notify ya at 30%, 40% drop and ya can just take an exit, pull up to a supercharger, plug in for 10 mins and then back on the road. My inlaws have done zero maintenance on their Teslas (in 2 years, only tire rotation and thats it). Battery degradation is less than 5%.

After test driving '24 Rivian, Tesla Model Y, Audi ETron and BMW IX, I traded my RR (got a whopping $55k on trade in value and $10k positive on my loan) and bought the IX.

Had my electrician install the 240v (dryer plug..lol) in my garage. Added my EV to my Smud account and we get discounted charging rates from midnight to 6am. BMW also gave me 2 years of 30 min free charge at any "Electrifying America" charger. In my city, I only have 2 locations (unlike Tesla) and it does the job.

I've driven 300 miles now on my IX and gas cost has been virtually ZERO. And the MAJOR unadvertised fact on the IX is bmw puts a "300 mile" specs but I'm averaging around 350 miles in mixed city/highway!. On some days, I don't even charge it. Not to mention, the added safety cameras in EV is just so convenient (especially in bad weather, heavy traffic).

I recently drove from Sacramento to Santa Cruz (my kid goes to UC there) and made the 280 miles round trip on a single charge with the battery still at 20%.

But will the XI replace my Tremor long trips (e.g from Sacramento to LA)? Probably not....main issue is Electriying America stations are still in the works unlike Tesla.

But yeah, its just a bummer that we wont get the Ranger plug in hybrid version here in USA. But I'm ready to move to hybrid/EV solutions now. As long as ya understand the EV tech and expectations, you'll be fine. I'm no longer that guy worrying about $150 fillups at a gas station anymore .

 

[Mikknj]

Home chargers are very easy to add and can be added for about $1000 or less. I think the issue is not having enough chargers around the country and the charging time. Until there are charging stations like gas stations and until I can charge a car in 10 minutes or less I won't consider one. I'm all for going greenER but it can't be done over night. And lets not even talk about towing with a EV because that's just a joke.

Towing with an EV?- Check this out.
The tech is changing rapidly:



I think the lack of chargers is a huge problem. It will take some time for that to change. Charging over night will only work for some - non city dwellers. But a Big battery with a 500 Mile range is good enough for me. We may never get rid of ICE but cutting the fleet down to 20 -30% will help a lot!

 

[PNWZ]

The infrastructure is simply not in place yet for electric vehicles. It is really that simple.

I drove my friend's Tesla for a week, and the inconvenience was real. I live in the city, so finding a Tesla super charger location is not the problem, but sitting there for 30 mins or longer if you had to wait in line was a waste of time...

 

[Wags]

Towing with an EV?- Check this out.
The tech is changing rapidly:



I think the lack of chargers is a huge problem. It will take some time for that to change. Charging over night will only work for some - non city dwellers. But a Big battery with a 500 Mile range is good enough for me. We may never get rid of ICE but cutting the fleet down to 20 -30% will help a lot!

not impressed with the towing. It is getting better but not ready yet IMO.

 

[richman555]

I drove my friend's Tesla for a week, and the inconvenience was real. I live in the city, so finding a Tesla super charger location is not the problem, but sitting there for 30 mins or longer if you had to wait in line was a waste of time...

Towing with an EV?- Check this out.
The tech is changing rapidly:



I think the lack of chargers is a huge problem. It will take some time for that to change. Charging over night will only work for some - non city dwellers. But a Big battery with a 500 Mile range is good enough for me. We may never get rid of ICE but cutting the fleet down to 20 -30% will help a lot!

I agree. Hopefully the lawmakers understand this concept and have no statewide ICE bans. I think Washington, Massachusetts, and California are already planning this.

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