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Our First Off-Road Tire Test: All-Terrain and Max Traction/Mud Terrain
This thread isn't so much a "there's no better tire", but rather the aggregate of information for AT category. Lots of opinions on the KO3's and some people are going to swear they are garbage no matter what, while others like me are looking at the totality of the evidence and experiences (good and bad). No tire is perfect and no tire is going to be the best at any one thing.
If you primarily drive on-road and are willing to sacrifice some off-road performance, there are other options, but I bought my RR for off-road use even though I actually drive it on-road quite a bit. It's a special truck and that 10% of the time I'm actually driving it off-road, I want good performance on a variety of off-road surfaces. So, I'm willing to tolerate "reasonable on-road" for the sake of good "off-road", but I don't want "terrible on-road" that makes it miserable to drive.
The most common surfaces I personally have driven on off-road are 1. Hard packed dirt or clay, mostly dry or slightly damp 2. moderate mud usually with rock bottom or gravel bottom (not deep mud) 3. sand 4. loose gravel and 5. sandy clay with small stones or riverbed with silty sand bottom.
Overall, the KO3's at the OHV park I took the truck to this past summer did very well. There were lifted Jeeps with 40" tires that struggled more to climb a rock shelf than my RR did on 33's with the KO3's. The Jeep was an older late 90's Sport, lifted probably 8 inches or more to fit those massive tires. My RR's front bumper barely cleared the shelf to get the front tire on it at an angle while that jeep took a harder line and just got right up on it (obviously his approach angle was massive, probably well over 50 degrees).
But when he tried to climb, it really struggled to find grip and kept hopping, while my RR just walked right up it without slipping at all. Not even once. There was dust / sand all ove the rock shelf / tires as we drove down a sandy trail to a shoreline, then took the "climb" going back up since I wasn't confident about approach and departure going down with stock bumpers / ride height.
In the sand pits, the stock Rubicon's with KO2's and my RR seemed to have best overall traction of the vehicles driving in it. Most ran stock 33's or up-fitted 35's. Not sure what other tires were used, but I observed one Wrangler 4-door get stuck just going up a moderate hill in 4 wd with whatever tires he had on it (not a Rubicon). He had to back down and get a run, where I could just give some moderate throttle and power right up it. There were older jeeps and one 3rd gen Colorado that also seemed to struggle more with finding traction in the sand pit. No idea what tires they were running other than it wasn't KO's.
I also drove on some hard pack dirt / clay roads in the countryside when visiting relatives in Michigan. Found some "back country trail roads", so people lived on these roads, but they were not paved and way out in the country, some very wealthy people (multi-million-dollar homes, ran across one with a Bronco Raptor driving out of the driveway) mixed in with older farm houses and small ranches. The KO3's in the cold weather, just above freezing provided very predictable traction and steering going 30~50 mph on the hard pack clay / dirt whereas my wife's CX-9 with the Falken WildPeak AT's, a more road focused tire, would feel less planted on the same surface.
Obviously two different vehicles and slightly different tire focus, the Falken's were also in a lower profile (much less sidewall) being on a road-oriented AWD SUV, but it is a data point. Now the Falken WildPeak's were hands down much better on-road, I could pull about the same G's in corners as with the factory all-seasons it originally came with that are V rated, less sharp turn in than the all-season's, but planted on-road one the less. Great tire for a road going SUV you want some light duty off-road capability with.
Based on the Tire Racks testing, the average of millions of miles of user experiences and my own experiences, I don't really see a better overall option for AT tires for off-road use unless you're targeting one specific terrain type or if you want better on-road performance and don't care about losing some of the excellent off-road capability they provide.
My assesment is that the KO3's are reasonably good on-road (decent), but still provide some the best overall off-road performance on a wide variety of surfaces, especially the handling at higher speeds compared to many of the other options, which suits the RR and F-150 Raptor's quite well given their Baja / Rally nature. At the end of the day, they are Off-road Sport Trucks, kind of like an off-road version of the on-road sport trucks of the 90's (i.e., F-150 Lightning) and I completely agree with Ford's choice in sticking with the KO's (quality issues aside that sometimes people encounter).
But to call them garbage? What a DUMB opinion!
This thread isn't so much a "there's no better tire", but rather the aggregate of information for AT category. Lots of opinions on the KO3's and some people are going to swear they are garbage no matter what, while others like me are looking at the totality of the evidence and experiences (good and bad). No tire is perfect and no tire is going to be the best at any one thing.
If you primarily drive on-road and are willing to sacrifice some off-road performance, there are other options, but I bought my RR for off-road use even though I actually drive it on-road quite a bit. It's a special truck and that 10% of the time I'm actually driving it off-road, I want good performance on a variety of off-road surfaces. So, I'm willing to tolerate "reasonable on-road" for the sake of good "off-road", but I don't want "terrible on-road" that makes it miserable to drive.
The most common surfaces I personally have driven on off-road are 1. Hard packed dirt or clay, mostly dry or slightly damp 2. moderate mud usually with rock bottom or gravel bottom (not deep mud) 3. sand 4. loose gravel and 5. sandy clay with small stones or riverbed with silty sand bottom.
Overall, the KO3's at the OHV park I took the truck to this past summer did very well. There were lifted Jeeps with 40" tires that struggled more to climb a rock shelf than my RR did on 33's with the KO3's. The Jeep was an older late 90's Sport, lifted probably 8 inches or more to fit those massive tires. My RR's front bumper barely cleared the shelf to get the front tire on it at an angle while that jeep took a harder line and just got right up on it (obviously his approach angle was massive, probably well over 50 degrees).
But when he tried to climb, it really struggled to find grip and kept hopping, while my RR just walked right up it without slipping at all. Not even once. There was dust / sand all ove the rock shelf / tires as we drove down a sandy trail to a shoreline, then took the "climb" going back up since I wasn't confident about approach and departure going down with stock bumpers / ride height.
In the sand pits, the stock Rubicon's with KO2's and my RR seemed to have best overall traction of the vehicles driving in it. Most ran stock 33's or up-fitted 35's. Not sure what other tires were used, but I observed one Wrangler 4-door get stuck just going up a moderate hill in 4 wd with whatever tires he had on it (not a Rubicon). He had to back down and get a run, where I could just give some moderate throttle and power right up it. There were older jeeps and one 3rd gen Colorado that also seemed to struggle more with finding traction in the sand pit. No idea what tires they were running other than it wasn't KO's.
I also drove on some hard pack dirt / clay roads in the countryside when visiting relatives in Michigan. Found some "back country trail roads", so people lived on these roads, but they were not paved and way out in the country, some very wealthy people (multi-million-dollar homes, ran across one with a Bronco Raptor driving out of the driveway) mixed in with older farm houses and small ranches. The KO3's in the cold weather, just above freezing provided very predictable traction and steering going 30~50 mph on the hard pack clay / dirt whereas my wife's CX-9 with the Falken WildPeak AT's, a more road focused tire, would feel less planted on the same surface.
Obviously two different vehicles and slightly different tire focus, the Falken's were also in a lower profile (much less sidewall) being on a road-oriented AWD SUV, but it is a data point. Now the Falken WildPeak's were hands down much better on-road, I could pull about the same G's in corners as with the factory all-seasons it originally came with that are V rated, less sharp turn in than the all-season's, but planted on-road one the less. Great tire for a road going SUV you want some light duty off-road capability with.
Based on the Tire Racks testing, the average of millions of miles of user experiences and my own experiences, I don't really see a better overall option for AT tires for off-road use unless you're targeting one specific terrain type or if you want better on-road performance and don't care about losing some of the excellent off-road capability they provide.
My assesment is that the KO3's are reasonably good on-road (decent), but still provide some the best overall off-road performance on a wide variety of surfaces, especially the handling at higher speeds compared to many of the other options, which suits the RR and F-150 Raptor's quite well given their Baja / Rally nature. At the end of the day, they are Off-road Sport Trucks, kind of like an off-road version of the on-road sport trucks of the 90's (i.e., F-150 Lightning) and I completely agree with Ford's choice in sticking with the KO's (quality issues aside that sometimes people encounter).
But to call them garbage? What a DUMB opinion!
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