All-Season vs. All-Terrain on Tire Review -- " PROOF That You Don't NEED All Terrain Tires!"

[ilDiavel]

Pretty interesting tire review done for tire types with the bonus being our trucks at the Raptor school!

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[surfstar]

Michelin LTX FTW

https://forum.expeditionportal.com/...ender-is-the-perfect-all-terrain-tire.240260/

 

[Kenbike]

I agree on the Raptor the AS tire just looks boring, AT tires match the truck.
But tempted to go with a lighter AT tire to shed some weight and ditch the Ford beadlocks for stock Raptor wheels. Losing combined of 70 lbs on all four tires and wheels would improve zero to 60 times and improve gas mileage. Can order a package from tire rack for 2 K.

 

[daytoncarter]

Michelin LTX FTW

https://forum.expeditionportal.com/...ender-is-the-perfect-all-terrain-tire.240260/

I went with the Dueler Ascent AT for snow and ice, but if I lived somewhere without winter I'd be running the Michelins.

 

[Ranger XLT Fan]

I don't do real off-roading...maybe off-pavement, but no rock crawling or anything difficult. But I went with BFG KO3's because they looked good on the RR I saw on the lot. I don't notice any drone or highway noise. I think they cost me a mile or two per gallon, but nothing I'd complain about. I like them alot better than the tires that came with the XLT. Just my two cents...

 

[Pic-N-Stick]

I don't do real off-roading...maybe off-pavement, but no rock crawling or anything difficult. But I went with BFG KO3's because they looked good on the RR I saw on the lot. I don't notice any drone or highway noise. I think they cost me a mile or two per gallon, but nothing I'd complain about. I like them alot better than the tires that came with the XLT. Just my two cents...

I liked the KO3's for the first few thousand miles. Now at 8K they howl on the road and are much worse on wet pavement. I want better on-road performance that still has decent off-road chops and look aggressive enough for the Raptor. I'll go with the Continental TerrainContact AT2 or Goodyear Wrangler Outbound AT. Both are supposed to be available in S/L OEM Raptor size next year. They are both new and VERY similar. Tire Rack has just tested the Continental and the results are impressive dry, wet and off-road. The test will be posted in the next several weeks. The goodyear is on their short list for testing also. If you like "spirited" driving on the road, check out these two tires!

 

[OxygenMask]

Utter hogwash.
50+ years truck owner and recreational 4-wheeler.
Yes, a "highway" oriented AT vs an all season tire with a bit more grippy tread design than normal is a bit of a wash for "most" people. But
The typical All Terrain tire has stronger carcass construction, stronger sidewalls etc. A good all terrain will also have a better tread pattern than any al season tire for grip when you are not at the mall.
When you are up on a precarious mountain trail or 30 miles out in the rock strewn desert, the difference can be life saving.
They are not the same.

 

[RaptorME]

I agree on the Raptor the AS tire just looks boring, AT tires match the truck.
But tempted to go with a lighter AT tire to shed some weight and ditch the Ford beadlocks for stock Raptor wheels. Losing combined of 70 lbs on all four tires and wheels would improve zero to 60 times and improve gas mileage. Can order a package from tire rack for 2 K.

That's pretty much what I did. Roush wheels and Nitto Nomad Grapplers. It saved about 16-17 lbs. per corner and the tires alone were 10 of that. I don't offroad and the truck was noticably quicker to accelerate and turn. The tire is really the most important as that weight is unsprung (as are the wheels of course) and furthest from the hub. My fuel economy also increased by 2 mpg.

 

[Lion77]

Utter hogwash.
50+ years truck owner and recreational 4-wheeler.
Yes, a "highway" oriented AT vs an all season tire with a bit more grippy tread design than normal is a bit of a wash for "most" people. But
The typical All Terrain tire has stronger carcass construction, stronger sidewalls etc. A good all terrain will also have a better tread pattern than any al season tire for grip when you are not at the mall.
When you are up on a precarious mountain trail or 30 miles out in the rock strewn desert, the difference can be life saving.
They are not the same.

Agreed. The elements of durability over say gravel and sharp rocks can be SIGNIFICANT as the AT tires have heavy sidewall and tread. Because they did not get a flat on that course, which looked pretty flat and mild, doesn't mean it doesn't happen on trails or with frequent off-roading. It's well known in the off-roading community. As noted, that All Season looks pretty chewed up in just the limited amount of driving they did!

Gravel quarry trucks are very aware of this, they kill tires like crazy unless they use hard compound tires with thick carcass / side walls. Then in deep / silty / gravel etc. you can't steer with road focused all seasons. That's a key difference, in sand at say Silver Lake, I had no issues steering my truck on KO3's where I saw regular road orient 4x4s have issues steering. They could get traction fine with proper deflation and throttle but definitely had a steering advantage for AT tires.

Those differences start to become significant. Then in mud, all seasons can't eject the mud. Look at anyone trying to drive 4x4's up muddy hills with all seasons vs. something like the KO2/3 or ATM or MT etc. and it's night and day for traction. I actually think that's the biggest advantage is in the really loose or muddy terrain, the AT"s have some bite you can work with while the all seasons give you nothing to grab on with.

He noted in the video that the AT tires were 50% better on average in the mud than an all season, with an MT being twice as good as an all season and 50% better than an AT tire.

 

[Crapblaster]

I ran these 2 on my 1973 Bronco back in the day. Thay lasted a long time and had good grip in the mud. A tad bit noisy though.

 

[Lion77]

I agree on the Raptor the AS tire just looks boring, AT tires match the truck.
But tempted to go with a lighter AT tire to shed some weight and ditch the Ford beadlocks for stock Raptor wheels. Losing combined of 70 lbs on all four tires and wheels would improve zero to 60 times and improve gas mileage. Can order a package from tire rack for 2 K.

Pirelli XTM AT + Method 705's. 53lbs per tire and 25.2lbs per wheel. XTM offers best on-road wet traction, dry traction and steering feel for AT category, looks the part and holds up off-road without falling apart. That's my route (once my KO3's are worn out, already have the 705's):

I've considered going up 34's or "skinny" 35's, but for the terrain around me, I don't really think it's a "must" unless I do off-roading more frequently in the truck. My preference however isn't "tough trails through the woods" although I do enjoy those from time to time, my preference is for high speed stuff.

Loved flooring it up 400 ft high sand dunes at Silver Lake or the Drag Strip where I hit 65 mph off-road. That's kinda the bread and butter of the RR, high speed / rally style, which also makes it fun to drive on-road, bigger / heavier tires do take away from some of that character (to a degree), so for now, I'm sticking with 33's and just looking for a better AT tire.

Hey, we could always throw on a set of 60's if you like the big tire look....

 

[svssvs48]

I agree on the Raptor the AS tire just looks boring, AT tires match the truck.
But tempted to go with a lighter AT tire to shed some weight and ditch the Ford beadlocks for stock Raptor wheels. Losing combined of 70 lbs on all four tires and wheels would improve zero to 60 times and improve gas mileage. Can order a package from tire rack for 2 K.

If you end up wanting to go with stock Raptor wheels I've got 4 of them and selling for $400 total. I am located in the Milwaukee area.

 

[Ranger XLT Fan]

I liked the KO3's for the first few thousand miles. Now at 8K they howl on the road and are much worse on wet pavement. I want better on-road performance that still has decent off-road chops and look aggressive enough for the Raptor. I'll go with the Continental TerrainContact AT2 or Goodyear Wrangler Outbound AT. Both are supposed to be available in S/L OEM Raptor size next year. They are both new and VERY similar. Tire Rack has just tested the Continental and the results are impressive dry, wet and off-road. The test will be posted in the next several weeks. The goodyear is on their short list for testing also. If you like "spirited" driving on the road, check out these two tires!

I previously had a set of Terra Grapplers on a Jeep. They were great...they were a little lighter and about 10-15 bucks less per tire if I recall correctly. Might consider those again if these wear out like quick like yours did. Good luck!

 

[Alaska_Wolf]

Michelin Cross Climate 2's. Great for highway, light to medium off roading, and great in the snow and on the ice, better fuel economy and handling than those factory Goodyear Wranglers. I'm happy with them.

 

[daytoncarter]

Michelin Cross Climate 2's. Great for highway, light to medium off roading, and great in the snow and on the ice, better fuel economy and handling than those factory Goodyear Wranglers. I'm happy with them.

I'd love to compare the Dueler Ascent ATs vs Cross Climates on snow/ice!

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