RR 3.0 Wet Belt Driven Oil Pump - issues in future?

[Ron Quixote]

I kinda feel like this argument has run its course.

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[daytoncarter]

Even if you didnt find it more fun and consider it a tool, you would think you would opt for the more capable engine no?

Sorry, I'm just a dummy, so I need you to explain what the 2.7L does that the 2.3L doesn't.

• Does it tow more than 7,500 lbs? No.
• Does it have a higher Payload rating? No. (Actually, it's lower because the iron block is heavier).
• Does it have more range per tank? No.

So if it doesn't tow more, doesn't haul more, and doesn't go as far . . . is "capability" just your code word for faster?

Even then, the 2.7L is only ~0.3 seconds faster in the quarter mile. I don't know about you, but I don't consider a blink of an eye to be "capability." I consider Payload and Range to be capability. The 2.3L wins on both.

 

[daytoncarter]

I kinda feel like this argument has run its course.

We're all having an intelligent conversation.

This isn't an airport; you don't need to announce your departure

 

[Ron Quixote]

We're all having an intelligent conversation.

 

[daytoncarter]

Sir, your flight departed and you're still at the airport.

No re-bookings, no refunds!

 

[BriSco]

@daytoncarter I've towed many miles with both. 2.3L in a 2022 Ranger and a 2.7L in a 2024. The 2.7 is hands down better at towing. For the record I'm towing a 1940 Ford on an 18 Ft car trailer as well as a 19' camper.
When you get into any hills, the 2.7 is much better at both pulling and engine braking.

 

[daytoncarter]

@daytoncarter I've towed many miles with both. 2.3L in a 2022 Ranger and a 2.7L in a 2024. The 2.7 is hands down better at towing. For the record I'm towing a 1940 Ford on an 18 Ft car trailer as well as a 19' camper.
When you get into any hills, the 2.7 is much better at both pulling and engine braking.

I am sure you're correct.

You know semis tow a million miles, the Ranger 2.3L has 3.5x the power to weight ratio compared to a semi and the 2.7L 4.0x the power to weight ratio.

But realistically I tow at 68mph the speed most trailer tires are rated at and so speed isn't much a factor.

I did 10,000 miles around the US and Canada towing a camper with my 21' Ranger and in the Appalachians, Big Horns, Rockies, Cascades, Sierras and more, never once did I need any more power.

 

[danmoochie]

it's not pure kevlar ,,, LOL

No crap. Level reinforced. Nothing is pure kevlar except kevlar. But that design is not associated with known issues thus far. It's not the same old wet belt was my point.

 

[av8r]

What do you guys think of this cheap wet belt and issues in the future? Until 2017 the 3.0 ecoboost oil pump was chain driven. .
This is a big engineering downgrade, and don’t come with things like less friction an emissions, because this is a fail on purpose design. .

Please cite your proof that this is a "cheap" and "fail on purpose" design. I'm assuming you're an engineer and have researched this beyond what someone said on youtubezzzz

 

[Flak]

Is there no way to replace the belt if you're one of the few who actually wants to go past 10 years/200k? I mean what are we talking here.

 

[Aemonn]

Is there no way to replace the belt if you're one of the few who actually wants to go past 10 years/200k? I mean what are we talking here.

It's a big job. Need to remove the whole front end of the truck to even start. Part of the reason people are upset at the choice. If it was a simple job I'm sure there would be less upset.

The failure prone engines of the past at least were far more serviceable. Tiny engines. relatively easy to remove and open up. No so much on the 2.7 and 3.0.

 

[JimG]

The wet oil belts used today are probably not the same belts Ford used in 2012. Neither is the steel timing chain used today the same as was used 20 years ago. Hard to compare today to a decade ago. We all are trying to improve over time and we all make mistakes in doing so. That’s how we learn and gain experience. Manufactures are and have continued to improve their products.

Life of a car 75 years age was about 75,000 miles. There was very little if any plastic and everything mechanical was metal. Not the case today. Time allows every industry to improve their product. Life of today’s vehicle are closer to 200,000 mile.

I‘m not saying the new wet belts are better than chain, but I would bet their way better than the ones being compared to from 2012. But what we’re really complaining about is the possible repair bill some 15 years or 150-200K miles down the road. I doubt most of us will even have the truck.

Maybe we should all wait to worry. Nobody’s going to change anyones mind anyway.
Cheers

 

[BLIZZARDIBLO]

Please cite your proof that this is a "cheap" and "fail on purpose" design. I'm assuming you're an engineer and have researched this beyond what someone said on youtubezzzz

I don’t understand what some of the guys are trying to achive. . Saying that a rubber belt is the same resistance or durability of steel alloys, denotes a miss of basic common sense understanding, not even needing to point materials engineering.
When people start to compare steel with rubber or kevlar fibers. . I imagine that the same people will also say that polymer (plastic,rubber) will also be perfect to build exhaust manifolds, engine exhaust valves, etc.

 

[av8r]

I don’t understand what some of the guys are trying to achive. . Saying that a rubber belt is the same resistance or durability of steel alloys, denotes a miss of basic common sense understanding, not even needing to point materials engineering.
When people start to compare steel with rubber or kevlar fibers. . I imagine that the same people will also say that polymer (plastic,rubber) will also be perfect to build exhaust manifolds, engine exhaust valves, etc.

So you have nothing. Got it. Opinions are nice, but data is important in a discussion about engineering.

 

[BLIZZARDIBLO]

So you have nothing. Got it. Opinions are nice, but data is important in a discussion about engineering.

Yes, i have nothing to people that calls to a hammer, a door.

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