Told by dealer six months to one year wait ALL Ranger models.

[c5ken]

I ordered a 2023 Ranger Lariat In Dec & its built but not delivered yet. I told the dealer I don't want it & he let me order a '24 Lariat which I did on 5/30/23. Was notified by Ford that my '24 order was received. If I get the '24 this year I'll be suprised...

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[Raynger24]

I ordered a 2023 Ranger Lariat In Dec & its built but not delivered yet. I told the dealer I don't want it & he let me order a '24 Lariat which I did on 5/30/23. Was notified by Ford that my '24 order was received. If I get the '24 this year I'll be suprised...

Thank you for your input! This is how it has gone with me before. I guess the bottom line, it's still too early to tell and we will all have to wait at this point and see how it all shakes out.

 

[EcoRanger]

Looks like Ford is trying to kill themselves not building anymore 2023 Mavericks nine month or more for a Bronco and maybe a year on a 2024 Ranger. I see Toyotas midsize truck market increasing and Rangers shrinking immensely. Come on Ford its time to quit using supply chain issues as a crutch to not build the vehicles we want. Our money does spend elsewhere and we're not buying 60k plus short range ev's.

 

[BigDamnHeroes]

Looks like Ford is trying to kill themselves not building anymore 2023 Mavericks nine month or more for a Bronco and maybe a year on a 2024 Ranger. I see Toyotas midsize truck market increasing and Rangers shrinking immensely. Come on Ford its time to quit using supply chain issues as a crutch to not build the vehicles we want. Our money does spend elsewhere and we're not buying 60k plus short range ev's.

Ford is building ‘23 Mavericks till sometime in October.. and then will switch to ‘24

 

[c5ken]

I'm so disappointed in Ford. I spent 30 yrs with the company and want to maintain loyalty. However, When I have to wait 6 to 12 months to receive one of their products maybe its time to look elsewhere...

 

[Raynger24]

Looks like Ford is trying to kill themselves not building anymore 2023 Mavericks nine month or more for a Bronco and maybe a year on a 2024 Ranger. I see Toyotas midsize truck market increasing and Rangers shrinking immensely. Come on Ford its time to quit using supply chain issues as a crutch to not build the vehicles we want. Our money does spend elsewhere and we're not buying 60k plus short range ev's.

If Ford is actually ending MY23 Maverick production this early then sadly your opinion has much merit to it. And, this EV push that we DO NOT have the infastructure for, the price/range as you mentioned, or reliable technology for it (along with many other arguments against it right now)...there is not much to argue against what you wrote. Ford really needs to re-think thier business model.

 

[Raynger24]

I'm so disappointed in Ford. I spent 30 yrs with the company and want to maintain loyalty. However, When I have to wait 6 to 12 months to receive one of their products maybe its time to look elsewhere...

Agreed! My only hope IF the Ranger orders are as low as Ford Video Guy states (and as I have written before I am Skeptical about). Us Ranger guys may have a chance for 6-9 months, which is still too damn long!

 

[Snkrjeff020]

Remember when you would order a car, and it would be 2 months tops, and people even got mad at that amount of time?

I get it, supply issues, pandemic, etc. What I want to know is, what exactly is the thing that changed from say, Feb 1st 2019 versus today? And I don't even mean the car assembly line, but for example microchips. I guess there was a shortage. Okay, understandable, people were locked down and we couldn't make enough. Well, for this entire year, everyone is more or less back, so why can't those microchips just be made like it was Feb 1st 2019. And it doesn't even have to be microchips, insert whatever it is that we are constrained in. Obviously, this is very simplistic view of it all, but it just seems like if we could do it literally just a few short years ago, one would think it could happen again where cars can be made to order in a relatively short time.

 

[Ranger#5?]

Remember when you would order a car, and it would be 2 months tops, and people even got mad at that amount of time?

I get it, supply issues, pandemic, etc. What I want to know is, what exactly is the thing that changed from say, Feb 1st 2019 versus today? And I don't even mean the car assembly line, but for example microchips. I guess there was a shortage. Okay, understandable, people were locked down and we couldn't make enough. Well, for this entire year, everyone is more or less back, so why can't those microchips just be made like it was Feb 1st 2019. And it doesn't even have to be microchips, insert whatever it is that we are constrained in. Obviously, this is very simplistic view of it all, but it just seems like if we could do it literally just a few short years ago, one would think it could happen again where cars can be made to order in a relatively short time.

an article I read yesterday about transportation... said the Railroad industry is way short of the car carriers they need for timely transport from the factory (like deficit of 1/3 short). Turns out all the major RRs contract out with a single transportation management company that tracks and reassigns car carriers as they become available, so cars never sit empty any length of time and never drop a load at a destination and go right back and get more to repeat same route from any manufacturer. Sounds flakey and kind of a combination of a lottery & 1st come 1st served mashup.

To make matters worse, there is another company that builds all of them and they have an 18-month backlog of orders and have limited capacity on how many they can produce each year. We've all known about the Transportation trucking industry driver's shortage, and that isn't getting any better.

It's no longer a chip shortage creating long waits and delivery times, its ability to move finished vehicles point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. If it's not 1 thing, it's another!

 

[pyates999]

Remember when you would order a car, and it would be 2 months tops, and people even got mad at that amount of time?

I get it, supply issues, pandemic, etc. What I want to know is, what exactly is the thing that changed from say, Feb 1st 2019 versus today? And I don't even mean the car assembly line, but for example microchips. I guess there was a shortage. Okay, understandable, people were locked down and we couldn't make enough. Well, for this entire year, everyone is more or less back, so why can't those microchips just be made like it was Feb 1st 2019. And it doesn't even have to be microchips, insert whatever it is that we are constrained in. Obviously, this is very simplistic view of it all, but it just seems like if we could do it literally just a few short years ago, one would think it could happen again where cars can be made to order in a relatively short time.

A lot of the small vendors (supplier) were forced out of business during the Covid ordeal, never to return. All those businesses that were depended upon for small things are now gone forever, forcing Ford & many others to find someone else to supply their needs.

 

[RapVillin]

Fewer cars= more expensive = Fewer workers=more demand = sell Fewer cars at a higher price point costing the company less maximizing profit= all of us get fucked while corporations make a fortune

 

[goalieThreeOne]

Remember when you would order a car, and it would be 2 months tops, and people even got mad at that amount of time?

I get it, supply issues, pandemic, etc. What I want to know is, what exactly is the thing that changed from say, Feb 1st 2019 versus today? And I don't even mean the car assembly line, but for example microchips. I guess there was a shortage. Okay, understandable, people were locked down and we couldn't make enough. Well, for this entire year, everyone is more or less back, so why can't those microchips just be made like it was Feb 1st 2019. And it doesn't even have to be microchips, insert whatever it is that we are constrained in. Obviously, this is very simplistic view of it all, but it just seems like if we could do it literally just a few short years ago, one would think it could happen again where cars can be made to order in a relatively short time.

Early in the pandemic, we had an entire shipping route blocked off for over a week (Evergiven in the Suez). And then illnesses, infection, and shut down reduced the labor pool at all the docks around the world. Containers started piling up and it never recovered. Pre-pandemic tariffs reduced the available vendor pool for specialized materials (like electrical grade steel for EV’s and Hyrbids). And even when you could get material, infection, and wage disputes made many facilities short handed on labor. Then there were the trucker shortages (ongoing) and the rail car shortages (ongoing). You can’t get things anywhere these days.

All that contributes to creating a massive backlog. Some backlog is always healthy. But excessive backlog is difficult to manage. You either have to increase production or decrease demand. The only way to catch up on backlog is to have more orders shipped than you are getting in, and that is not happening. When factories say they are facing supply constraints, what that means is that they’re constrained in the ability to increase production over normal volume to “catch up”. Factories work on an idea called Just In Time manufacturing. This means they don’t stockpile tens of thousands of units of available parts. They order them in batches as needed. This reduces the need for floor space and lowers invested capital which looks good on a balance sheet. Even if they had, they would have burnt through that supply months ago. So they’re constrained on production, only able to run the two shifts at MAP. As far as reducing demand, well they’ve been raising prices both to cover material increases and labor increases but also to try and limit demand. But it’s not working.

“Supply chain constraints” sounds like a nebulous concept unless you actually understand how manufacturing and supply chain works. I’m a little tired of reading in these threads giving Ford crap about it and falsely calling them “excuses”. They’re not. I work for a manufacturer in an unrelated industry and the last three years has been the most challenging and stressful of my career. It’s driven many of my peers to quit or retire early. My customers have lost millions of dollars and thousands of man hours of labor due to delays in getting product. And unfortunately there’s no end in sight.

Our world as consumers is extremely interconnected and complex. Please have some compassion for the thousands folks in these plants, the laborers, the planners, the schedulers, the dealers salespersons who have nothing to sell, and the transporters, mostly hard working Americans, who are living these nightmares every day. For them a delay or slowdown might mean the end of their job. Surely if your truck takes a little longer than you’d like for it to get to you, you can have some patience.

 

[Raynger24]

Many U.S. companies have sold their companies to China. China offers big money, and it is hard to turn down for these companies, I get it, but over time, it chips away at U.S. manufacturing capabilities, so we are at the mercy of China. If a U.S. company does not sell, they move most of the manufacturing over to China, or Mexico as labor costs are MUCH lower. It has the same effect of the companies selling in many ways. If you look at the products we are using/purchasing right now much of it is produced in China even if the product still keeps it's "American name." Doing a Google search I found this...

"What percent of Walmart goods come from China?
80% of the 75 million products imported by Walmart are from China" (I use this as just a small example, I recognize we don't go out as consumers and purchase everything from Walmart).

I also found this...

What products do we rely on China for?
There are four industries in America that particularly continue to rely on China manufacturing.

• Medical Products Manufacturers. Medical products manufacturers continue to have their products made in China in order to reduce costs.
• Electronics Industry.
• Plastic Product Manufacturing.
• Clothing & Textiles

If we look at item *2, it's electronics. Much of that are electronics we need for automobiles I would imagine. The United States is literlly "selling itself out of existence." We need to bring manufacturing back over here, start building products again, or we are going to be in bigger trouble then we already are!

Side note...Just a thought. This E.V. kick Ford is on, I'm thinking may be slowing things down for them. I'm all for clean air, climate change control, blah-blah-blah. But what produces the electricity to charge the batteries...fossil fuels! So, right now it is sort of a "feel good mirage." The technology, infastructer, vehicle range, charging costs, charging time is just not there yet. Not to mention the high cost of most of these cars! Keep working on it sure, but we can't realistically go all electric for many years to come.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

Many U.S. companies have sold their companies to China. China offers big money, and it is hard to turn down for these companies, I get it, but over time, it chips away at U.S. manufacturing capabilities, so we are at the mercy of China. If a U.S. comapny does not sell, they move most of the manufacturing over to China, or Mexico as labor costs are MUCH lower. It has the same effect of the companies selling in many ways. If you look at the products we are using/purchasing right now much of it is produced in China even if the product still keeps it's "American name." Doing a Google search I found this...

"What percent of Walmart goods come from China?
80% of the 75 million products imported by Walmart are from China" (I use this as just a small sample, I recognize we don't go out as consumers and purchase everything from Walmart).

I also found this...

What products do we rely on China for?
There are four industries in America that particularly continue to rely on China manufacturing.

• Medical Products Manufacturers. Medical products manufacturers continue to have their products made in China in order to reduce costs.
• Electronics Industry.
• Plastic Product Manufacturing.
• Clothing & Textiles

If we look at item *2, it's electronics. Much of that are electronics we need for automobiles I would imagine. The United States is literlly "selling itself out of existence." We need to bring manufacturing back over here, start building products again, or we are going to be in bigger trouble then we already are!

Side note...Just a thought. This E.V. kick Ford is on, I'm thinking may be slowing things down for them. I'm all for clean air, climate change control, blah-blah-blah. But what produces the electricity to charge the batteries...fossil fuels! So, right now it is sort of a "feel good mirage." The technology, infastructer, vehicle range, charging costs, charging time is just not there yet. Not to mention the high cost of most of these cars! Keep working on it sure, but we can't realistically go all electric for many years to come.

Fortunately the CHIP act is putting money into developing a domestic semiconductor industry.

As for Walmart… well, we’ve seen them putting American stores out of business for decades and now they’re putting American manufacturing out of business as well. I’m proud to say I haven’t given them a dime of my money for seven years for whatever little that’s worth. Point is, always buy local where possible, and support businesses that put Americans to work.

 

[Snkrjeff020]

an article I read yesterday about transportation... said the Railroad industry is way short of the car carriers they need for timely transport from the factory (like deficit of 1/3 short). Turns out all the major RRs contract out with a single transportation management company that tracks and reassigns car carriers as they become available, so cars never sit empty any length of time and never drop a load at a destination and go right back and get more to repeat same route from any manufacturer. Sounds flakey and kind of a combination of a lottery & 1st come 1st served mashup.

To make matters worse, there is another company that builds all of them and they have an 18-month backlog of orders and have limited capacity on how many they can produce each year. We've all known about the Transportation trucking industry driver's shortage, and that isn't getting any better.

It's no longer a chip shortage creating long waits and delivery times, its ability to move finished vehicles point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. If it's not 1 thing, it's another!

That certainly makes sense what you and others have mentioned. I guess what I am still a little confused on is, all these suppliers who closed or sold off, and all these shortages on transport personnel, doesn't that create a new demand for someone the capitalize on?

If theres money to be made, since all these car manufacturers are starving for parts and transport, shouldn't there be companies flocking to supply them?

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