Couple simple Ford Performance Tune questions

[Boosted6G]

I don't trust dealers. Period.

• Is there a way to tell if the tune has been installed by the dealer using the ProCal tool after the fact? (as opposed to seat of the pants feel)
• With the ProCal tool can I switch back and forth between stock tune and Ford performance tune?
• Can the later snoop and tell if tunes have been swapped around after they've done the first upload at the dealer?

Just want to hear from people with experience with the process.

Thanks.

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[superj]

• Is there a way to tell if the tune has been installed by the dealer using the ProCal tool after the fact? (as opposed to seat of the pants feel)

plug in your tuner and it will show what is installed and what is saved to the tuner for swapping from tune to stock

• With the ProCal tool can I switch back and forth between stock tune and Ford performance tune?

yes, plug tuner in and then use menu to chose tune or stock tune

• Can the later snoop and tell if tunes have been swapped around after they've done the first upload at the dealer?

what do you mean? like if you have been swapping back and forth from stock to tune? not sure, maybe?

 

[Boosted6G]

what do you mean? like if you have been swapping back and forth from stock to tune? not sure, maybe?

Say, "hypothetically", down the road I get an aftermarket tune and have a mishap that requires warranty coverage. Can I use the ProCal tool to return it to stock tune, and would the dealer be able to tell?

 

[hand-filer]

Say, "hypothetically", down the road I get an aftermarket tune and have a mishap that requires warranty coverage. Can I use the ProCal tool to return it to stock tune, and would the dealer be able to tell?

No, you would use the programmer that you used to install the aftermarket tune to return it to stock.
If you install an aftermarket tune and something drastic happens, like windowing the block for example, Ford will bring all their resources to bare to void your warranty. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[chevitz]

For those of you that have done the performance tune. Were you aware that after the tune the truck will put out more power than the transmission is rated for

 

[hand-filer]

For those of you that have done the performance tune. Were you aware that after the tune the truck will put out more power than the transmission is rated for

The tune is calibrated to limit power output in the lower gears to get around that.

 

[superj]

my won't, i have the 2.3. i am good

 

[Joejr]

I just picked up the tune for $625. I'm going to install it this weekend. Hope it is as easy as it seems.

 

[Jason B]

I just picked up the tune for $625. I'm going to install it this weekend. Hope it is as easy as it seems.

YOU will install it? Or do you mean you will have Ford or an ASME certified tech install it?
Because if YOU install it, it will void your trucks warranty, IIRC.

 

[Jason B]

For those of you that have done the performance tune. Were you aware that after the tune the truck will put out more power than the transmission is rated for

That's a new one I haven't heard. Where did you get that info? If that was true, FORD wouldn't be selling these with a potential to destroy the trans.

 

[Joejr]

YOU will install it? Or do you mean you will have Ford or an ASME certified tech install it?
Because if YOU install it, it will void your trucks warranty, IIRC.

I will install it

 

[Mystic]

That's a new one I haven't heard. Where did you get that info? If that was true, FORD wouldn't be selling these with a potential to destroy the trans.

IIRC the 10R60 is rated to 600 lb-ft.

@Lion77

 

[Jason B]

IIRC the 10R60 is rated to 600 lb-ft.

@Lion77

If that is the case, it's well beyond the 433 lb./ft that the Pro-Cal gives you. That's 'only' 33 more than the stock at 400 for the 2.7.

 

[Mystic]

If that is the case, it's well beyond the 433 lb./ft that the Pro-Cal gives you. That's 'only' 33 more than the stock at 400 for the 2.7.

Here's @Lion77 in an older thread (pasted bc I'm basically a boomer when it comes to tech):

"I started to look at various Ford transmissions in their trucks throughout the years and all of them have been rated in lb-ft of torque, it's been commonly understood for decades.

Then I found the example of the F-350's with the latest Power Stroke 6.7L making 1,050 lb-ft of torque, with the 10R140.

Do the math, 1,400nm = 1036 lb-ft....yet the engine makes 1,050. So why would they make a heavy-duty diesel work truck and put in a transmission whose input torque capacity completely stock doesn't even meet the factory engine's output torque? Clearly, it's in lb-ft.

So not only does all the historical data on Ford truck transmissions going back several decades provide a frame of reference, but that example alone discredits it being in newton meters.

It looks like Ford 10Rxxx transmissions tend to range from 25-37% more input torque than the factory engines produce they are paired with (keep in mind design wise, there are a lot of engine options in say the F-150, so it needs to accommodate all the options).

Engine Output Torque to Transmission Input Torque Margins:
F-350 with 10R140: (1 - (1,050 lb-ft / 1,400 lb-ft)) * 100 = 25%
F-150 / Raptor with 10R80: (1 - (510 lb-ft / 800 lb-ft)) * 100 = 37%
F-150 Raptor with 10R80 + Pro Cal: (1 - (554 lb-ft / 800 lb-ft)) * 100 = 21%
F-150 Hybrid with 10R80: (1 - (570 lb-ft / 800 lb-ft)) * 100 = 29%
Ranger Raptor with 10R60: (1 - (430 lb-ft / 600 lb-ft)) * 100 = 29%
Ranger Raptor with 10R60 + Pro Cal: (1 - (536 lb-ft / 600 lb-ft)) * 100 = 11% "

 

[SubZombie]

YOU will install it? Or do you mean you will have Ford or an ASME certified tech install it?
Because if YOU install it, it will void your trucks warranty, IIRC.

It does not void your warranty. There is literally a federal law called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act that prevents them from being able to blanket void your warranty for something like this. Not only that but if they tried to the burden of proof is on them and they can't even see what has been done to the ECU in the past if it is returned to stock, only that it was reflashed at some point. Moreover Ford Performance doesn't even know that the Procal was ever even used, all they know is that you uploaded the stock tune. Do you go around preaching that putting 35" tires on will void some aspect of the warranty? Because it could if they wanted it to if your rear end blew out, you should warn people . Lots of things could.

I've had mine in a couple times since installing it, and they literally didn't care even when I had the tuner mounted to the windshield. Now if you are launching your truck over and over to get 0-60 times and blow out the rear end there is a CHANCE they might deny it (which they could also do if they decided you were abusing the truck even without a tune on it), but they also might not even check or notice and if they did all they can see is that it was refreshed at some point which is something they, again, may not even look at or care about and if they tried to they would potentially be putting themselves at risk of a lawsuit. But regardless, it does not under any circumstances just void your warranty.


Also, the transmission in the RR is a variation of the 10R60, but it is a different part than the other Rangers, and it literally costs 2x the price of the 10R60 that goes in the 2.7L for example, and if you go by the marketing interviews from when it came out that is due to it having 4A but also due to it being revised to handle increased power. How true is that? No clue, but they are confident enough in it that they will sell you a tune and install it for you. I will also wager that we see the truck's power increase over its lifespan with the same transmission.

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