RR 3.0 Wet Belt Driven Oil Pump - issues in future?

[RangerDangerStranger]

2018 Ford F-150 for sale in Comstock Park, MI - CARFAX (2.7L with 252k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 XL for sale in Fairfield, OH - CARFAX (2.7L with 280k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 Lariat for sale in Cleveland, GA - CARFAX (2.7L with 228k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 XLT for sale in Marietta, OH - CARFAX (2.7L with 229k miles)

2018 Ford F-150 Lariat for sale in Asheville, NC - CARFAX (2.7L with 209k miles)

2018 Ford F-150 XL for sale in Paducah, KY - CARFAX (2.7L 208k miles)

2018 Ford F-150 XLT for sale in Dodgeville, WI - CARFAX (2.7L with 205k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 XLT for sale in Youngstown, OH - CARFAX (2.7L with 205k miles)

And that's JUST in my little area with a few zip codes I'm familiar with. There's a good mix of 5.0L's, 3.5L's and 2.7L's all with high mileages in the 200~250k range.

Window stickers are available with each link on the dealer's site too if anyone wants to say those are anything but 2.7L. All have belt driven oil pumps since it's 2018+ just like that crazy high mileage 2019 2.7L with 540k on the facebook post!

Seems to be the norm that you can expect them to last around 200k~250k miles with their unreliable oil pump belts, exploding turbos and grenading 10-speeds.

Seriously, stop buying unreliable Ford vehicles with oil pump belts and none of us will be arguing with you.

Means Nothing. Point is the belt will fail where a Chain would not. belts have already been proven to fail see 1L, always amazes me just how ready people are to pucker up thier little lipswhen some entity claims authority. just like Germany '37 or the MAGAts now. Get a logo and some people will run through glass to kiss your a... really separates the independent thinkers from the enslaved.

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[RangerDangerStranger]

2018 Ford F-150 for sale in Comstock Park, MI - CARFAX (2.7L with 252k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 XL for sale in Fairfield, OH - CARFAX (2.7L with 280k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 Lariat for sale in Cleveland, GA - CARFAX (2.7L with 228k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 XLT for sale in Marietta, OH - CARFAX (2.7L with 229k miles)

2018 Ford F-150 Lariat for sale in Asheville, NC - CARFAX (2.7L with 209k miles)

2018 Ford F-150 XL for sale in Paducah, KY - CARFAX (2.7L 208k miles)

2018 Ford F-150 XLT for sale in Dodgeville, WI - CARFAX (2.7L with 205k miles)

2019 Ford F-150 XLT for sale in Youngstown, OH - CARFAX (2.7L with 205k miles)

And that's JUST in my little area with a few zip codes I'm familiar with. There's a good mix of 5.0L's, 3.5L's and 2.7L's all with high mileages in the 200~250k range.

Window stickers are available with each link on the dealer's site too if anyone wants to say those are anything but 2.7L. All have belt driven oil pumps since it's 2018+ just like that crazy high mileage 2019 2.7L with 540k on the facebook post!

Seems to be the norm that you can expect them to last around 200k~250k miles with their unreliable oil pump belts, exploding turbos and grenading 10-speeds.

Seriously, stop buying unreliable Ford vehicles with oil pump belts and none of us will be arguing with you.

Means Nothing. Point is the belt will fail where a Chain would not. belts have already been proven to fail see 1L, always amazes me just how ready people are to pucker up thier little lipswhen some entity claims authority. just like Germany '37 or the MAGAts now. Get a logo and some people will run through glass to kiss your a... really separates the independent thinkers from the enslaved.

 

[Hootbro]

Great, the Fascism and Orange Man Bad dribble has entered the discussion.

 

[stemplar]

Timing chains are not a 'lifetime' component. They stretch over time (considerably). Neither are the chain guides and chain tensioner.
So much misinformation in this thread.

I couldn't agree more, but I've said this very thing here, and the people who bought into the FUD will continue to ignore the facts. As an aside, I have a bmw engine half apart in my garage because of a broken plastic timing chain guide.

 

[Lion77]

I guess all those vehicles should be avoided like plague....

 

[Lion77]

Great, the Fascism and Orange Man Bad dribble has entered the discussion.

Except in this case it's "black belt bad", maybe if they died it grey and put the word "chain" in the name it would be more accepted . You never know, it might be made by Fascists as part of a plot to defraud customers....

 

[stemplar]

always amazes me just how ready people are to pucker up thier little lipswhen some entity claims authority. just like Germany '37 or the MAGAts now. Get a logo and some people will run through glass to kiss your a... really separates the independent thinkers from the enslaved.

Amazes me that people will defend anyyhing. Please explain to me how moving from a steel chain to a flexible belt soaked in 200* oil improves reliability? Ford would not of done it if....Ofcourse you won't see the failures till LATER IN THE ENGINES LIFE. That's exactly what Ford is counting on, well out of warrenty. probably about a $2000 job to replace it just the belt. When the engine gets older, is a soft belt soaked in 200* dirty oil likely to fail? Oh, you better believe it will. if the 2.3 had a wet belt it would of figured into my decision to buy it or not. Terrible design. i'd say probably ok to 60k miles, where the normal chain would simply never fail. People will defend anything, Amazes me.

Case in point, you're continuing to defend chains as indestructible or maintence-free. With proper maintenance, both belts and chains are fine. Without proper maintenance BOTH will grenade an otherwise healthy engine.

 

[Ron Quixote]

Great, the Fascism and Orange Man Bad dribble has entered the discussion.

The Ignore button is a wonderful thing.

 

[superj]

Thanks for proving me point on people's confusion of timing belts vs. oil pump wet belts.

https://www.e30zone.net/e30wiki/index.php/M20_Timing_Belt_Change

I was specifically replying about the timing belt comment earlier, if it wasn't easily noticed. Just in case people were wondering.


All the reading i have done over the last xouple days makes me think the oil drive belts will last a lot longer than a timing belt of ol

 

[Lion77]

Agreed. I don't disagree with others that an oil bathed timing belt is problematic, it's a high load application and probably why they didn't even try it on V6's, it was only ever done on small displacement 4 cylinders.

Even with the best belt tech, none of those are considered lifetime either and have stated replacement intervals, unlike the oil pump application, which is much lower stress, considered lifetime part and hence why there are tons of 2018+ 2.7L's with 200k to 300k miles on the original belts. The 2019 F-150 on facebook with 540k is mind boggling, guessing it was a lot of highway in a fleet vehicle.

At that point, you have some wear issues with rings, pistons, catalytic converters are likely nearing EOL as are many drivetrain components (if towing frequently, possibly the torque lock plates are worn fairly well), but anywhere from 200k to 300k is a good service life for a gas engine, especially with frequent towing.

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[LantaLurker]

Maybe because the 2.7 got a belt in 2018, and the 1.0 has been out since 2012? There literally hasn't been enough time for the rubber to chemically degrade in the 2.7.

I mean if you're going to mock people's inputs you should at least understand the premise of the argument.

Cool story, the 2.7 has had a wet belt for 8 years now and no issues. No shit rubber degrades over time, it has a service interval, its supposed to be replaced overtime. You might as well point out that oil degrades and will screw things up if you dont change it enough. The 1.0s you love to mention showed issues with the belt much earlier on. This is obviously not the same situation.

At the end of the day youre just making excuses to justify why you got the 2.3 even though it's less reliable than the 2.7. Go an answer be grumpy while we enjoy our power

 

[daytoncarter]

Agreed. I don't disagree with others that an oil bathed timing belt is problematic, it's a high load application and probably why they didn't even try it on V6's, it was only ever done on small displacement 4 cylinders.
The 2019 F-150 on facebook with 540k is mind boggling, guessing it was a lot of highway in a fleet vehicle.

I agree with most of this, and for all my complaining, I still think the 2.7L is one the best engines Ford has ever made. I might even go as far as to say it's a perfect match for the F-150.

Is it the old i6 4.0 from AMC/Jeep or 5.3 LS? Probably not because for the gearheads pulling these out of trucks in twenty years for swaps I think that belt service is going to be part of the swap.

You can grab the 4.0 or 5.3 that's been sitting in a junkyard for 10 years, drop it in and it just goes. But none of that matters for the first owner of the 2.7L and the electronics might make that a fantasy anyway.

 

[superj]

2.7 is already being talked about as possibly the best engine ford has ever made.

 

[daytoncarter]

No shit rubber degrades over time, it has a service interval, its supposed to be replaced overtime.

I agree that the rubber degrades, but you're still wrong Ford doesn't spec a service interval for the belt.

At the end of the day youre just making excuses to justify why you got the 2.3 even though it's less reliable than the 2.7. Go an answer be grumpy while we enjoy our power

Oh, what are the common issues on the 2.3L MPC? This is the first I've heard. Anyway, I didn't buy a truck for racing. I've got a car that'll leave the 2.7 and 3.0 in a straight line and a corner. The Ranger is a tool and adventure vehicle. I test drove the 2.7 and 3.0 and they weren't fun to drive fast nor did they add anything for me personally.

 

[LantaLurker]

I agree that the rubber degrades, but you're still wrong Ford doesn't spec a service interval for the belt.



Oh, what are the common issues on the 2.3L MPC? This is the first I've heard. Anyway, I didn't buy a truck for racing. I've got a car that'll leave the 2.7 and 3.0 in a straight line and a corner. The Ranger is a tool and adventure vehicle. I test drove the 2.7 and 3.0 and they weren't fun to drive fast nor did they add anything for me personally.

Your last sentence tells us youre coping . Even if you didnt find it more fun and consider it a tool, you would think you would opt for the more capable engine no?

You sure are passionate about telling everyone why the weakest engine choice is the best one, I think you're in denial

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