Ranger Raptor Intercooler List Thread

[a77cj7]

Right, so I need to replace mine with an aftermarket because if I don't, it will spontaneously combust or something? I do get what you're saying, but I don't think there's an epidemic of OEM Ford Ecoboost IC failures, or we'd know about it.



But unless you're willing to relocate the entire unit, isn't any IC constrained by the space available in the vehicle? How do aftermarket ICs solve this problem? Also, wouldn't the "flimsy" tube/fins of the OEM unit actually help it exchange heat faster?

I just can't yet understand how upgrading the OEM IC without also modifying other parts of the engine (i.e. bigger turbos) that can take advantage of the benefits is money well spent.

There’s nothing “wrong” with the factory intercooler, just as there is nothing “wrong” with the factory tune. But some of us want more.
These modern turbo motors have generally proven to be quite receptive to significant power increases from tuning, but there are bottlenecks that can be improved.
Ford ecoboost motors have been consistently shown to have suboptimal intercooler performance. From the graph posted by wagner, the ranger raptor is no exception.
I am not trying to “go crazy” with modifying my low-mile daily driver vehicles, thats saved for the project cars. But I do like to improve performance, and go after any “ cheap, easy” mods that can increase it significantly.
For my b58 bimmer, thats a jb4 and a catted downpipe. The factory intercooler is just fine there.
For my Ranger Raptor, thats a ford performance tune and an intercooler upgrade.
I will continue to watch testing results to see if more low hanging fruit is uncovered.

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[Oreo_Five8]

Since the factory intercooler seems to perform pretty poorly, I'd love to compile a list of all the available Intercooler options for the Ranger Raptor.

If we could post where they're available from (preferably within the US), how much $, and what kind of performance they offer, I'll put a list together.

Whether or not the vehicle has to be modified would be good info to include as well.

Thanks!

Cobb:
Modification required? No
23% more efficient
53% larger volume
Cost: $1,025

Process West Stage 1:
Modification required? Yes
Increase in volume/efficiency: ?? (claimed to be the largest option on the market that doesn't require modification)
Cost: $1,170

Process West Stage 2:
Modification required? Yes
Increase in volume/efficiency: ??( Claimed to be the largest available on the market for the next gen Ranger Raptor)
Cost: $1,495

Wagner:
Modification required? Very slight
69% Increase in volume
Cost: $690

Dynomotive:
Modification required? Unclear
87.5% larger core. 80% larger end tanks.
Cost: $1,950

Not sure I'd agree that the stock unit performs poorly. The dyno results show it works pretty good actually, the aftermarket does improve the heat management but doesn't really bump the performance much over stock. I'm sure there's varying results.

That being said I'm still looking at replacing eventually but after seeing the numbers it's something that can wait a bit, maybe even till the warranty's up. We'll see LOL

 

[AlpineBike]

Not sure I'd agree that the stock unit performs poorly. The dyno results show it works pretty good actually, the aftermarket does improve the heat management but doesn't really bump the performance much over stock. I'm sure there's varying results.

That being said I'm still looking at replacing eventually but after seeing the numbers it's something that can wait a bit, maybe even till the warranty's up. We'll see LOL

Can you please provide a link to where you’re seeing that the stock unit performs adequately? From the research I’ve done I’ve found quite the contrary to be true.
I myself driving at a brisk pace at anything above 85 degree ambient temps will see spikes of ~140 degree charge temps. The ECU is absolutely pulling power with those charge temps!

 

[Deepsea619]

Agreed, I split the difference and bought the COBB intercooler. As I understand it, the 3L Ecoboost engine is already sensitive to high IAT’s, so with the new factory performance tune, I don’t expect that situation to get any better, and I don’t want to have the computer changing the timing and lose all of the added power.

Can someone please tell me the no B.S benefits of updating the charge pipe. Is it a standalone upgrade or do you have to get more components with it?

 

[nikhsub1]

Not sure I'd agree that the stock unit performs poorly. The dyno results show it works pretty good actually, the aftermarket does improve the heat management but doesn't really bump the performance much over stock. I'm sure there's varying results.

That being said I'm still looking at replacing eventually but after seeing the numbers it's something that can wait a bit, maybe even till the warranty's up. We'll see LOL

You'd be wrong. It's garbage. Do multiple dyno pulls on the stock IC and you will see the power drop like a brick at each run. Now do multiple pulls with a good aftermarket IC and pulls will be very consistent.

 

[AlpineBike]

Can someone please tell me the no B.S benefits of updating the charge pipe. Is it a standalone upgrade or do you have to get more components with it?

Unless you are massively increasing boost, there is no benefit aside from engine bay bling…

 

[green5150]

Unless you are massively increasing boost, there is no benefit aside from engine bay bling…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Ford Performance Tune increase boost? If so, is that enough to make the upgraded charge pipe a viable improvement?

 

[AlpineBike]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Ford Performance Tune increase boost? If so, is that enough to make the upgraded charge pipe a viable improvement?

I believe the boost increase with the FP tune is only around 5 PSI.
Not enough for any loss of ability with the factory pipes.

 

[Slyder]

I got the full kit from fenix, pipes and intercooler. Quality is amazing. Only thing I would add would be the oem pipe to intercooler fittings to switch back to oem intercooler during ford visits and not having to take out the whole pipe kit. Anyone know any place I can get these alone?

I've been looking at this kit and have been considering it over the Cobb intercooler & AFE charge-pipe combo.

It comes in less expensive than the Cobb combo, but the fittings are also my concern if I were to need to take it to the Dealer for any Warranty work, like the dreaded cam-phaser.

The Cobb intercooler has a leg up on the Fenix one being that Cobb intercooler has a CARB EO# and is 50 State legal. This alone makes me lean towards Cobb, but I would need to wait for a Sale before I would buy it.

EO document for Cobb Intercooler

 

[Salty]

I've been looking at this kit and have been considering it over the Cobb intercooler & AFE charge-pipe combo.

It comes in less expensive than the Cobb combo, but the fittings are also my concern if I were to need to take it to the Dealer for any Warranty work, like the dreaded cam-phaser.

The Cobb intercooler has a leg up on the Fenix one being that Cobb intercooler has a CARB EO# and is 50 State legal. This alone makes me lean towards Cobb, but I would need to wait for a Sale before I would buy it.

EO document for Cobb Intercooler

Definitely go for COBB and have your dealer install the piping so you can have everything under warranty. It just takes 8 bolts to replace the intercooler once you are out of the dealer. Regarding afe I noticed half the kit is silicone so to save your bucks either go full metal with process or keep the stock one which is solid unless you plan to up the boost.

 

[Catalyst]

i would like to know if the actual IC pump is powerful enough to pump all the extra fluids in the bigger intercoolers?

Not sure if serious? Assuming you are...

These are air-to-air intercoolers that cool the charged air from the turbo compressors before being routed to the throttle body. So the "IC pumps" are the turbos themselves and no fluids involved.

 

[AMGRAPTOR]

Not sure if serious? Assuming you are...

These are air-to-air intercoolers that cool the charged air from the turbo compressors before being routed to the throttle body. So the "IC pumps" are the turbos themselves and no fluids involved.

lol I’m dumb. Thanks for explaining. I have supercharged vehicles that use IC pumps was thinking of those systems.

 

[pablo94sc]

lol I’m dumb. Thanks for explaining. I have supercharged vehicles that use IC pumps was thinking of those systems.

You mean liquid-to-air IC?

 

[Deepsea619]

that sounds like a pain in the azz.

that sounds like a pain in the azz.

100%

 

[Blue_Raptor]

Has anyone who has installed an aftermarket IC checked before and after charge temps? You can configure your dash to show this.

In normal driving, 60-ish ambient temp, with the boost gauge showing right around 0, I show 100+ charge temp. Which is a huge increase over ambient. This was again normal driving, not sitting for long or driving hard so therefore should not be a bunch of heat soak. I also note the boost reading as something I noticed with my previous car is that at significant vacuum readings, the charge temp usually climbs quite a bit but then drops once at 0 or starting to get into boost.

My previous car (which I sold to get the RR) was a Fiesta ST. I had a Cobb AP which I used for real-time gauges. I had a CPe intercooler which almost always kept charge temps within 10 deg of ambient. As others have noted in this thread and something that was found to be the case with the stock Fiesta ST IC, the main issue is heat soak and once heat soaked, it takes a while to bring the temps back down. But in a non heat soak scenario, it is quite disappointing to see such a huge delta between ambient temp and charge temp.

On a related side note, something cool that the Fiesta had was a temp sensor right after the turbo then one after the IC. So using the Cobb AP, you could really see the effectiveness of the IC. It’s disappointing you can’t get that post turbo charge temp in the RR. At least not stock, and maybe I’m missing something.

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